Why the hate against Christianity?

[puporing]

  On 3/16/2025 at 10:17 PM, Leo Gura said:

I don't deny that any states exist.

You can have a mystical experience of Jesus. And of thousands of other humans. That doesn't mean what you may think it means. It doesn't mean it's the historical Jesus.

You can't know that unless you literally became the same mind as me, duh.

I know how tricky this is.

Edited Sunday at 10:19 PM by puporing

[Leo Gura]

  On 3/16/2025 at 10:19 PM, puporing said:

You can't know that unless you literally became the same mind as me, duh.

I don't need to be in your mind to understand that Jesus is a construct.

But I am not here to change your mind. You do spirituality your way.

[puporing]

  On 3/16/2025 at 10:22 PM, Leo Gura said:

I don't need to be in your mind to understand that Jesus is a construct.

But I am not here to change your mind. You do spirituality your way.

It's no less or more of a construct than "Leo Gura" or "Eckhart Tolle". 

Edited Sunday at 10:24 PM by puporing

[Davino]

@puporing

But then in a way, don't you lose what makes you unique? What is the point of 7billion Jesuses walking on earth? I want purporing and yimpa and breakingthewall and leo and each one of us. In a way, you're selling yourself short. 

I feel that many religions want us to fill in the archetype of the master but that's not the full expression of what one is, not in the trascendental sense and less even in the human sense.

[Leo Gura]

  On 3/16/2025 at 10:24 PM, puporing said:

It's no less of a construct than "Leo Gura" or "Eckhardt Tolle". 

Not really, because you actually know something about Tolle and Leo. Like actual facts. About Jesus you have highly distorted stories.

Also, notice that you don't worship or revere Tolle or Leo. You don't give them some special epic status. You treat them as other humans -- which is appropriate.

If Jesus was an asshole, you wouldn't know it. If I am an asshole, you know it. That's an important difference.

Edited Sunday at 10:28 PM by Leo Gura

[puporing]

  On 3/16/2025 at 10:25 PM, Davino said:

@puporing

But then in a way, don't you lose what makes you unique? What is the point of 7billion Jesuses walking on earth? I want purporing and yimpa and breakingthewall and leo and each one of us. In a way, you're selling yourself short. 

I feel that many religions want us to fill in the archetype of the master but that's not the full expression of what one is, not in the trascendental sense and less even in the human sense.

I fully understand that. But the reason I'm choosing to "teach this way" is based in the truth of how things went down for me, that Jesus himself literally returned in me through my deep study and relationship with him.

Why I insist on this?

Because I want to demonstrate that he is here and lives in me and through me at this time.

That this IS how the divine/God is wanting to express itself.

Edited Sunday at 10:28 PM by puporing

[UnbornTao]

@puporing That messiah complex stinks from a mile away. If you think that to begin with, I don't think there's anything anyone could say to make you challenge that.

Edited Monday at 05:54 PM by UnbornTao

[Davino]

  On 3/16/2025 at 10:27 PM, puporing said:

I fully understand that. But the reason I'm choosing to "teach this way" is based in the truth of how things went down for me, that Jesus himself literally returned in me through my deep study and relationship with him.

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Galatians 2:20.

I have been crucified with Christ. It is no longer I who live, but Christ who lives in me.

 

  On 3/16/2025 at 10:27 PM, puporing said:

Because I want to demonstrate that he is here and lives in me and through me at this time.

But who are you truly. The memories of childhood, your genetic blueprint, your unique ambitions, there's only one like you, it's an existential necessity. I just wonder what your unique individuality might be through which christ manifests, so to speak.

[Carl-Richard]

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Why the hate against Christianity?

I know it's a rhetorical question, but how would you answer it?

[puporing]

  On 3/16/2025 at 10:27 PM, Leo Gura said:

Not really, because you actually know something about Tolle and Leo. Like actual facts. About Jesus you have highly distorted stories.

I don't know the avatar/historical Jesus all that well and can't claim to. There's actually a lot I don't know about the history despite my 'spiritual giftedness'. I try to learn about the history where I can but it's not my 'expertise'.

But I knew "him" primarily through first and foremost spiritual communion. It's by spirit/mind first and foremost and there was a back and forth communication before I fully became "him".

  On 3/16/2025 at 10:27 PM, Leo Gura said:

Also, notice that you don't worship or revere Tolle or Leo. You don't give them some special epic status. You treat them as other humans -- which is appropriate.

Well, you could say that is the bias as a result of higher awakenings and the experiences from them. But I can assure you it is not from delusions but more awakening/clear mindedness and revelations of my true being.

There is just a lot of profundity throughout awakening to this state. 

Edited Sunday at 10:37 PM by puporing

[Leo Gura]

  On 3/15/2025 at 9:47 PM, yetineti said:

@Leo Gura Care to elaborate? What I meant was:

Christian faith is a form of not-knowing—not in the Ralston sense, but in the sense that it replaces understanding with belief. Their faith functions as a barrier to knowing because it prevents doubt and inquiry.

If they had doubt instead of faith, their not-knowing would resemble Ralston’s—an open, investigative stance. But since they don’t, their not-knowing becomes passive and limiting rather than conscious and liberating.

One man’s trash is another man’s treasure.

When I say not-knowing, I mean the Ralston sense. Which is the proper sense. I don't mean false knowing or fantasy.

For example, I clearly know that I don't know the historical Jesus. I don't even know if he existed. I don't know if he was maybe Satan incarnate sent to ensnare mankind's minds.

That's how deep that not-knowing goes. And my claim is that if you are honest with yourself, you have this exact same level of not-knowing underneath all the noise and bluster.

Christians refuse to acknowledge this simple level of not-knowing because it would destroy their whole worldview. Which is why they need faith.

Edited Sunday at 10:44 PM by Leo Gura

[Breakingthewall]

  On 3/16/2025 at 10:31 PM, Davino said:

But who are you truly.

What you are as form is the color, the flavor of this manifestation of existence, the entire range of perfectly harmonized nuances that form this prism through which existence perceives itself.

As essence, you are the flame that burns within, the portal to infinity from which you draw your energy, the total. This is what's interesting to me; there lies the real game: How far can you open? How transparent can your form be ? 

 

Edited Sunday at 10:42 PM by Breakingthewall

[puporing]

  On 3/16/2025 at 10:31 PM, Davino said:

But who are you truly. The memories of childhood, your genetic blueprint, your unique ambitions, there's only one like you, it's an existential necessity. I just wonder what your unique individuality might be through which christ manifests, so to speak.

I understand that your current state is wanting to express whatever character "Davino" means to you. That is a choice you are making yes.

I am just making the choice of being "me" through this state also.

[Davino]

  On 3/16/2025 at 10:41 PM, puporing said:

I am just making the choice of being "me" through this state also.

I considered it as well, that makes sense.

[Davino]

  On 3/16/2025 at 10:40 PM, Breakingthewall said:

What you are as form is the color, the flavor of this manifestation of existence, the entire range of perfectly harmonized nuances that form this prism through which existence perceives itself.

As essence, you are the flame that burns within, the portal to infinity from which you draw your energy, the total. This is what's interesting to me; there lies the real game: How far can you open? How transparent can your form become to the total? 

That's Awakening based but not sleeping based.

Who are you when you dream?

That's also important to discover. I wanna know myself more, this particular individuation. I think I might have gotten too mesmerized in Infinity actually.

In a way, I realized that's developing holistic consciousness.

Edited Sunday at 10:47 PM by Davino

[Breakingthewall]

  On 3/16/2025 at 10:44 PM, Davino said:

That's Awakening based but not sleeping based.

Who are you when you dream?

That's also important to discover. I wanna know myself more, this particular individuation. I think I might have gotten too mesmerized in Infinity actually.

To know yourself as a human, the best thing imo, is simply to remove the barriers, everything that binds you and keeps you prisoner, and be absolutely free. Then the perfection of this concrete form manifests and develops in all it's power and beauty. 

[Davino]

@Breakingthewall I see. I feel barriers in me dropping like leaves in autumn falling. Thanks.

[Breakingthewall]

  On 3/16/2025 at 10:52 PM, Davino said:

@Breakingthewall I see. I feel barriers in me dropping like leaves in autumn falling. Thanks.

Me same , they always are there, layers and layers, but they keep falling

[UnbornTao]

Zen sticks for those committed to fantastical thinking.

 

Edited Monday at 05:54 PM by UnbornTao

[Salvijus]

  On 3/16/2025 at 8:22 PM, Leo Gura said:

No. This is very poor logic. An exceptional person can experience God and Love under almost any circumstance. What really matters is the average user of the teaching

There are plenty of avarage people who increased themselves in love and wisdom because of religion. Among other good qualities like discipline, free from addictions, serventship etc. 

Edited Sunday at 11:27 PM by Salvijus