Why the hate against Christianity?

[Willie]

17 hours ago, UnbornTao said:

Someone should start a new religion.

👎🏻

[Schizophonia]

Truth cannot be symbolized or translated through language; otherwise, it would be limited.
Christianity can bring us closer to the truth in some way, whether through orthodoxy or intellectual understanding, or through the study of the Gospels.

[Schizophonia]

On 14/03/2025 at 4:22 PM, Davino said:

Thank God Islam is for grown adults

These kinds of remarks are neurotic and stupid.

 

Btw Christianity is the most persecuted religion in the world.

Edited 15 hours ago by Schizophonia

[Jodistrict]

An interesting read is the book “Dominion: How the Christian Revolution Remade the World” by Tom Holland.   He shows how virtually anyone who grew up in the West, including atheists and secular people, are basically Christians in their perspective, moral framework, and assumptions.  Even “wokeism” is a natural evolution of the Christian obsession with equality.

[Staples]

1 hour ago, Jodistrict said:

An interesting read is the book “Dominion: How the Christian Revolution Remade the World” by Tom Holland.   He shows how virtually anyone who grew up in the West, including atheists and secular people, are basically Christians in their perspective, moral framework, and assumptions.  Even “wokeism” is a natural evolution of the Christian obsession with equality.

Then why are all the Christian evangelicals so anti-woke? Tom Holland should stick to making movies. 

It's a mistake to attribute general western moral virtues to Christianity. Moral virtues are developed based on principles that support survival and pragmatism, they are just culturally steeped in Christianity in the west. Like a coat of paint on a house, it doesn't matter what color (religion) you paint it, you still have a house (moral virtues).

Because moral virtues are a social reflection of Life's ultimate purpose, they are not an arbitrary religious construction.

Edited 13 hours ago by Staples

[Jodistrict]

12 minutes ago, Staples said:

Then why are all the Christian evangelicals so anti-woke? Tom Holland should stick to making movies. 

It's a mistake to attribute general western moral virtues to Christianity. Moral virtues are developed based on principles that support survival and pragmatism, they are just culturally steeped in Christianity in the west. Like a coat of paint on a house, it doesn't matter what color (religion) you paint it, you still have a house (moral virtues).

Because moral virtues are a social reflection of Life's ultimate purpose, they are not an arbitrary religious construction.

As for the Christian evangelicals, I know someone who grew up in a fundamentalist Christian home and was a fundamentalist herself.  When she became older she turned into a radical left-wing activist in the democratic party.   What I notice is that her behavior is exactly the same, the only thing that has changed is the content - now wearing a short dress is no longer bad, but misgendering a transexual is a grave sin.  Moral values don't come from a vaccum.  The book discusses the history.  

[Leo Gura]

20 hours ago, Salvijus said:

But it only takes one proof that it can be used to attain wisdom and love to validate religion. 

No. This is very poor logic. An exceptional person can experience God and Love under almost any circumstance. What really matters is the average user of the teaching. And there are many harmful side-effects of religion which are being conveniently ignored.

Just because a Christian has an Awakening does not mean that Christianity has been validated. This is actually even more dangerous because now the Christian will excuse away all the problems that Christianity causes, as happened in this thread.

And a Christian Awakening is not going to be the same thing as other kinds of Awakenings. It will come with all sorts of fantasies and self-deceptions. And there is far more at stake in life than just Awakening. There is politics, and much more.

A Christian can have an Awakening and then go right to believing that Palestinians are demons.

Christians will use Awakening to monopolize God for themselves in narcissistic fashion and use it to shove their verison of God down your throat. And use it to justify all their other false and limited beliefs, of which there are many.

The whole beauty of God is that it isn't Christian. God cares about Christians as much as Christians care about bacteria living in their butts.

Edited 10 hours ago by Leo Gura

[Schizophonia]

6 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

No. This is very poor logic. An exceptional person can experience God and Love under almost any circumstance. What really matters is the average user of the teaching. And there are many harmful side-effect of religion which are being conveniently ignored.

Just because a Christian has an Awakening does not mean that Christianity has been validated. This is actually even more dangerous because now the Christian will excuse away all the problems that Christianity causes, as happened in this thread.

And a Christian Awakening is not going to be the same thing as other kinds of Awakenings. It will come with all sorts of fantasies and self-deceptions. And there is far more at stake in life than just Awakening. There is politics, and much more.

A Christian can have an Awakening and then go right to believing that Palestinians are demons.

There is an infinite scale of "awakenings" because the absolute cannot be symbolized; Therefore, an awakening is always still an illusion from a higher certain point of view.

The idea is that Christianity can be a progression for certain egos.
Compared to paganism, for example, or even atheism; Depending on the point of view and the form of Christianity involved.

Edited 12 hours ago by Schizophonia

[Leo Gura]

8 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

Therefore, an awakening is always still an illusion from a higher certain point of view.

This is misleading false equivalence.

What's not being acknowleged is that relgious people can easily have all sorts of mystical experiences and yet still be very self-deceived and thereby never properly realize God or Love.

Christianity gives the mind license to conflate its fantasies with God and Love by not teaching people how to seperate out God from Christianity and all human constructions.

Edited 12 hours ago by Leo Gura

[Elliott]

21 hours ago, UnbornTao said:

Someone should start a new religion.

I hadn't realized how big Scientology is getting, there's a center in my city.

[Terell Kirby]

No Christian can ever admit that Christianity is a limited and partial worldview/epistemic framework that comes with an implied metaphysics, identity and biases. That’s the heart of the issue.

Same goes for all other religions.

Edited 11 hours ago by Terell Kirby

[UnbornTao]

God has no religion

-Gandhi.

[Terell Kirby]

6 minutes ago, UnbornTao said:

God has no religion

-Gandhi.

God can certainly imagine and buy into religion. It will prosthelytize and crusade till the end of times for its self constructed worldview. A descent from heaven into the depths of epistemic Hell.

Edited 11 hours ago by Terell Kirby

[UnbornTao]

2 minutes ago, Terell Kirby said:

God can certainly imagine and buy into religion. It will prosthelytize and crusade till the end of times for its self constructed worldview. A descent from heaven into the depths of epistemic Hell.

You mean humans.

[Terell Kirby]

15 minutes ago, UnbornTao said:

You mean humans.

Nope, I mean God.

God is the only conscious entity creating the self deception and falling into it.

Humans are constructions and pawns in the game. (Among many other things).

Edited 11 hours ago by Terell Kirby

[Basman]

When Christians go to heaven god catches them with a glue trap on a stick.

[Jodistrict]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

And a Christian Awakening is not going to be the same thing as other kinds of Awakenings. It will come with all sorts of fantasies and self-deceptions. And there is far more at stake in life than just Awakening. There is politics, and much more.

The same happens with any religion.  I don’t think Christianity is uniquely bad.   In traditional India, an enlightened yogi would have refused to give you instructions because you are in the wrong caste. 

[puporing]

But, there's also damage for blocking people from accessing higher states of "God consciousness" to use your language, by actively rejecting the teachings from such a state by an avatar that was named Jesus.

As a result, your understanding of God is not complete like you think it is, and is in fact more distorted.

That is in effect what you are doing by actively denying that such a state exists, thinking that you are saving people from delusions when the opposite is happening.

Edited 10 hours ago by puporing

[Leo Gura]

5 minutes ago, puporing said:

That is in effect what you are doing by actively denying such a state exists.

I don't deny that any states exist.

You can have a mystical experience of Jesus. And of thousands of other humans. That doesn't mean what you may think it means. It doesn't mean it's the historical Jesus. It's your construction. Which is fine, as long as you're aware of that.

Edited 10 hours ago by Leo Gura

[puporing]

14 hours ago, yetineti said:

Do you consider yourself unique in your relationship to Jesus— in comparison to most Christians?

I literally merged with his mind.. but I don't expect you to believe that right now.

I didn't study the bible it was a different text called A Course in Miracles, as well using some other tools to get to this state.