Why the hate against Christianity?

[Nemra]

16 minutes ago, Nilsi said:

Again, Christianity was never meant to be about awakening in the first place.

I agree with you, but Christians would not.

What do you think is the ultimate goal for Christians when they are attending church?

[Nilsi]

13 minutes ago, Nemra said:

I agree with you, but Christians would not.

What do you think is the ultimate goal for Christians when they are attending church?

Could be many things - meaning, community, or simply the social pressure of not wanting to be seen by your neighbors as someone who skipped church.

We both agree that Christianity can be approached with varying degrees of sincerity in belief.

Obviously, if you were truly serious about God, you wouldn’t be looking for It in a church.

Edited Friday at 10:10 PM by Nilsi

[Jodistrict]

36 minutes ago, Nilsi said:

Again, Christianity was never meant to be about awakening in the first place.

Christianity focuses on relationship with God, Buddhism on liberation from suffering, and Hinduism on union with the divine.

John 8:32 - "And you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free." 

This aligns with the concept of awakening as liberation through understanding. In Buddhism, awakening (bodhi) involves seeing reality as it truly is, free from delusion. Jesus’ emphasis on truth freeing a person could echo the idea of breaking through ignorance to a higher awareness.

Matthew 13:11-13 - "He replied, 'Because the knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of heaven has been given to you, but not to them... This is why I speak to them in parables: Though seeing, they do not see; though hearing, they do not hear or understand.'" 

Here, Jesus describes a spiritual blindness or ignorance that prevents people from perceiving deeper truths, akin to the "sleep" or "illusion" (maya) in Hinduism and Buddhism. The disciples, by contrast, are given insight into divine mysteries, suggesting a kind of awakening to a higher reality.

Luke 17:20-21 - "The kingdom of God does not come with observation; nor will they say, ‘See here!’ or ‘See there!’ For indeed, the kingdom of God is within you." 

This verse points to an internal realization rather than an external event, paralleling the inward focus of awakening in Eastern traditions. In Hinduism, the Self (Atman) is recognized as divine, and in Buddhism, enlightenment arises from within through mindfulness and insight.

John 3:3 - "Jesus replied, ‘Very truly I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God unless they are born again.’" 

The idea of being "born again" implies a radical transformation of perception and identity, not unlike the shift in consciousness associated with awakening. It’s a spiritual rebirth that opens one’s eyes to a new way of being.

Matthew 5:8 - "Blessed are the pure in heart, for they will see God." 

This suggests that inner purification leads to a direct experience of the divine, which resonates with the purification of mind and heart in Buddhist and Hindu practices that precede awakening.

[yetineti]

 

[Nemra]

26 minutes ago, Nilsi said:

Could be many things - God, the community, or simply the social pressure of not wanting to be seen by your neighbors as someone who skipped church.

Yes, but fundamentally it's about the belief of being with chosen or awakened people who are protected by Jesus and God that will take them to heaven after death.

26 minutes ago, Nilsi said:

Obviously, if you were truly serious about God, you wouldn’t be looking for It in a church.

Many Christians are seriously looking for God in church. I'm not kidding.

Of course, if they were serious enough, they would question themselves and stop being a Christian for once.

Edited Friday at 10:34 PM by Nemra

[puporing]

It's called self-deception just like people following Trump and Putin off a cliff. 

You think you're above figuring out who actually has God and who doesn't? Think again. You are just as easily tricked and manipulated as Trump's followers.

Christians are not identical to Christ (yet) and that itself is a very bad argument against Christ.

Notice almost every bad argument against Christ is targeted towards "bad Christians", and conveniently omitting the actual being that had incarnated here and his words/actions.

How convenient is that?

And here I am and nobody wants to even debate me in good faith? All you're doing is trying to smear Christ by targeting his followers who are not yet Christ-realized or at various stages of such.

Edited Saturday at 01:32 AM by puporing

[Jodistrict]

39 minutes ago, Nemra said:

Yes, but fundamentally it's about the belief of being with chosen or awakened people who are protected by Jesus and God that will take them to heaven after death.

Many Christians are seriously looking for God in church. I'm not kidding.

Of course, if they were serious enough, they would question themselves and stop being a Christian for once.

Many posters are looking for God in a forum.  

[Willie]

37 minutes ago, Jodistrict said:

Many posters are looking for God in a forum.  

🤣

Sounds silly, but that’s life.

[Breakingthewall]

1 hour ago, Jodistrict said:

Christianity focuses on relationship with God, Buddhism on liberation from suffering, and Hinduism on union with the divine.

John 8:32 - "And you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free." 

This aligns with the concept of awakening as liberation through understanding. In Buddhism, awakening (bodhi) involves seeing reality as it truly is, free from delusion. Jesus’ emphasis on truth freeing a person could echo the idea of breaking through ignorance to a higher awareness.

Matthew 13:11-13 - "He replied, 'Because the knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of heaven has been given to you, but not to them... This is why I speak to them in parables: Though seeing, they do not see; though hearing, they do not hear or understand.'" 

Here, Jesus describes a spiritual blindness or ignorance that prevents people from perceiving deeper truths, akin to the "sleep" or "illusion" (maya) in Hinduism and Buddhism. The disciples, by contrast, are given insight into divine mysteries, suggesting a kind of awakening to a higher reality.

Luke 17:20-21 - "The kingdom of God does not come with observation; nor will they say, ‘See here!’ or ‘See there!’ For indeed, the kingdom of God is within you." 

This verse points to an internal realization rather than an external event, paralleling the inward focus of awakening in Eastern traditions. In Hinduism, the Self (Atman) is recognized as divine, and in Buddhism, enlightenment arises from within through mindfulness and insight.

John 3:3 - "Jesus replied, ‘Very truly I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God unless they are born again.’" 

The idea of being "born again" implies a radical transformation of perception and identity, not unlike the shift in consciousness associated with awakening. It’s a spiritual rebirth that opens one’s eyes to a new way of being.

Matthew 5:8 - "Blessed are the pure in heart, for they will see God." 

This suggests that inner purification leads to a direct experience of the divine, which resonates with the purification of mind and heart in Buddhist and Hindu practices that precede awakening.

Good quotes. Christianity must be understood as a path to openness to the absolute, like any other religion with a basis in truth. The way it is formulated causes people who are not prepared to understand this to perceive a dual message: me, the sinful human, and God, my creator and judge. The Bible repeatedly states that God is in you and that you and God are one. 

The kingdom of heaven is the opening to the whole that the simple of heart, those who are not encapsulated by self-image and are detached, can achieve.

Eternal life and paradise are now, the realization of the immortality of being and the opening to its glory. The Christian message is simple, direct, and precise. A well-formulated religion that must be interpreted. Perhaps better formulated and more complete than any other

[puporing]

Your mind has no openings to Christ consciousness not because you give a damn about Truth or God but because you are:

• Too selfish
• Too self absorbed
• Feeding off of each other's delusions and conditioning
• You don't want to face the unknown like you claim you do
• You don't want to be Love like you say you do, just some words
• You'd rather stay in this dream and have half a foot in the door and half foot out and evade your responsibility 
• You'd rather be above "God" and deny that it exists because your dream would truly end.
• Because really you want this dream more than God you deceive yourself by denying the existence of higher consciousness as realized in Christ 

 

Edited Saturday at 12:26 AM by puporing

[The Crocodile]

7 hours ago, Eskilon said:

Assuming you're not awakened and the concept of a religion seems appealing to you, why would you take Christianity seriously instead of Buddhism or Hinduism? Eastern religions offer a more direct approach and methods to actually "know" god. Granted, they are not corruption free, but they are less corrupt than mainstream western religions.

AAAHAHAHAHAHAAA

At many Buddhist temples you can have "tea ceremonies" with little girls.

And those guys shaving their heads and wearing orange?

No different than Catholic priests wearing black.

[Basman]

6 hours ago, Nemra said:

To really understand Christianity, observe Christians. That's it.

Go for the bigger fish and study how human survival works. Religion is probably the first macro scale extension of humans ordering themselves around shared fictions.

When you are religious it doesn't really matter what you believe, just that you appear to believe when you are part of a religious society. Religion is a project in conformity.

Edited Saturday at 02:19 AM by Basman

[yetineti]

@puporing

I remember harassing you.

You have some of my favorite responses.

I do not remember what I was hung up on.
 

❤️

Edited Saturday at 01:15 AM by yetineti

[puporing]

7 minutes ago, yetineti said:

@puporing

I remember harassing you.

You have some of my favorite responses.

I do not remember what I was hung up on.
 

❤️

Thank you, and no worries, am glad something is clicking for you. 

[yetineti]

Can someone please tell me what Christianity even is?

Is that the thing where you cannot use electricity and you marry in the family?

 

[Leo Gura]

I've actually spent about a month now studying Christians on YouTube, listening to all their talks and notions of spirituality, looking for and noting every error in their views. And I don't mean the dumb Christians. I mean the smartest ones I can find.

If you study them carefully you'll see how it corrupts their view of reality. No one is getting away with Christianity scot-free.

Edited Saturday at 04:34 AM by Leo Gura

[Salvijus]

1 minute ago, Leo Gura said:

I've actually spent about a month now studying Christians on YouTube, listening to all their talks and notions of spirituality, looking for and noting every error in their views. And I don't mean the dumb Christians. I mean the smartest ones I can find.

Take a look at Tau Malachi. His book "Gnosis of Cosmic Christ" especially. 

[Leo Gura]

1 minute ago, Salvijus said:

Take a look at Tau Malachi. His book "Gnosis of Cosmic Christ" especially. 

Okay. Found him on YT.

[Salvijus]

Then if you want to understand the science of rituals in a church, read a theosophist C W Leadbeater "The Science of the Sacrament"

[Salvijus]

Then there is an Egyptian master named Hamid Bay. He's been into mystery schools since very young age. He had many siddhis and he was deeply awake. He had a visitation from Jesus at one point that gave him an inspiration to create a christian community. He gave many teachings about christ conciousness. His work is very deep and esoteric. 

https://thecopticcenter.org/about-us/our-founder/