What are psychedelics from the metaphysical perspective?

[The Crocodile]

4 minutes ago, Salvijus said:

There are better ways to open up. 

But like, how do you know?

[Salvijus]

13 minutes ago, The Crocodile said:

But like, how do you know?

Maybe for different people different paths are better. I personally prefer the ones that don't damage the body. Calling one way better than the other was a mistake probably. 

Edited Saturday at 12:57 PM by Salvijus

[Salvijus]

17 minutes ago, The Crocodile said:

But like, how do you know?

The most sophisticated and advanced substance you could ever take is the grace of an enlightened being. That's the best way I would argue. The crude ways are for dense people who are not yet subtle enough to work with spirits directly and need an external physical medium as a crutch. 

Edited Saturday at 01:01 PM by Salvijus

[Nemra]

@Salvijus, no enlightened teacher could ever melt your reality.

By your logic you should not eat food.

[Salvijus]

6 minutes ago, Nemra said:

@Salvijus, no enlightened teacher could ever melt your reality.

If you say so

[Salvijus]

@The Crocodile tcare

[emil1234]

16 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

No. It's beyond your choice or will.

You do not have this kind of control that you imagine.

You can't choose a salvia state. You can't even imagine it or think it. It's completely beyond you.

That's the crazyiness of psychedelics. There's no alternative to them. You can't huff and puff and fake your way there.

It's very hard to get an answer to that question. I have not gotten it.

wasnt your mahasamadhi experience basically an option to stay in that state permanently? 

[yetineti]

11 hours ago, The Crocodile said:

Nope, you are not a human right now, and then "becoming not-human" on psychedelics. You are patently deluded. You do not comprehend that then everything is necessary and therefore nullifying your argument.

If I’m not human right now then you should have understood my point about what you’re saying being imaginary. Receptors and chemicals aren’t real. They exist in your mind.
 

And when you come down from a trip, it is a metaphysical necessity.

You said it wasn’t before, but you also say everything is necessary. Pick.

Calling me patently deluded while I can essentially read your mind just makes me giggle.

 

 

[yetineti]

@emil1234

There are no options, ultimately.

No states.

Whatever you think he shifted into was just whatever he was continuing to be.

Edited Saturday at 06:00 PM by yetineti

[Leo Gura]

5 hours ago, emil1234 said:

wasnt your mahasamadhi experience basically an option to stay in that state permanently? 

I can't be sure what would happen if that step was taken. It is a step into existence as a pure Infinite singularity. There are no human states there. No colors, no shapes, no people, no world.

Can you exist as a pure Infinite singularity? Probably. That's basically death. That's not a typical psychedelic state.

Edited Saturday at 09:19 PM by Leo Gura

[Tudo]

17 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

I can't be sure what would happen if that step was taken. It is a step into existence as a pure Infinite singularity. There are no human states there. No colors, no shapes, no people, no world.

Can you exist as a pure Infinite singularity? Probably. That's basically death. That's a typical psychedelic state.

The last trip I had on mushrooms was really traumatic. I stopped existing as a human and became something non human, but I don’t know how to put it into words, it was scary af.

[The Crocodile]

3 hours ago, yetineti said:

If I’m not human right now then you should have understood my point about what you’re saying being imaginary. Receptors and chemicals aren’t real. They exist in your mind.

Receptors and chemicals and humans are equally real from a sort of Absolute perspective.

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And when you come down from a trip, it is a metaphysical necessity.

It is not a special metaphysical necessity.

Like the problem with saying, "The reason the trip ends is because God could never stay God forever and needs human attachment,"

is that there are reality systems where you could just stay God forever, because your humanoid body system is different, or you aren't a humanoid or even connected to our five senses.

When the trip ends you're blaming it on God.

[Leo Gura]

2 minutes ago, The Crocodile said:

you're blaming it on God.

Who else is there to blame?

[Leo Gura]

@The Crocodile You said Daniel Ingraham talked about demons. Can you link a source please? I would like to investigate that.

[The Crocodile]

@Leo Gura He told me the hand breaking story on a zoom call I had with him. If you want to ask him about it you can set up a meeting with him to investigate his demon claims. https://cal.com/drdanielmingram/dharmaib50

He has some videos. They don't go into as much depth as the private conversation I had with him and he tends to ramble. If you want more specific answers and questioning you would have to talk to him yourself.

 

[Salvijus]

This one is good about entities. 

 

[Salvijus]

There's something on my mind that wants to be expressed. 

Why I think psychedelics are not a fuel. Because energy cannot be created or destroyed, it can only be redirected or change form. The science of enlightenment is simply a process of redirecting the energies that are clinging to the body into conciousness. It's because of ego most of our energy is clinging to the body, once we let go attachment to the body, these energies get redirected to the spirit. Hence increase of conciousness. All the energy needed for enlightenment is within us already, it's just a matter of redirecting it all into the direction of spirit rather than survival. Also, if psychedelics were a fuel, you'd not feel drained afterwards but charged. 

Edited Saturday at 10:09 PM by Salvijus

[Leo Gura]

@The Crocodile Thanks!

[Leo Gura]

8 minutes ago, Salvijus said:

There's something on my mind that wants to be expressed. 

Why I think psychedelics are not a fuel. Because energy cannot be created or destroyed, it can only be redirected or change form. The science of enlightenment is simply a process of redirecting the energies that are clinging to the body into conciousness. It's because of ego most of our energy is clinging to the body, once we let go attachment to the body, these energies get redirected to the spirit. Hence increase of conciousness. Also, if psychedelics were a fuel, you'd not feel drained afterwards but charged. 

Your reasoning is unsound. And these concepts you employ like "energy" and "fuel" are sloppy.

You feel drained because it actives the brain to fire on all cylinders, like physical exercise.

By your logic, physical exercise is a posion. This kind of reasoning is not sound. You are trying to reason toward some needed conclusion to fit some preexisting worldview and agenda, rather than just looking at psychedelics without judgment or bias.

Edited Saturday at 10:14 PM by Leo Gura

[Salvijus]

I think a similar example to psychedelics could be coffee. On the surface coffee looks like a fuel. But in reality it is using your own energy reservoirs. It's the same with psychedelics. It doesn't give you energy, it redirects the energy from body to spirit by the means I explained before. Idk, it makes solid sense to me.