Trump Refuses to Rule Out Recession, Stock Market Dips 10%

[integral]

… if the whole world thinks the market’s gonna crash, it probably won’t

Never followed the herd

[FourCrossedWands]

9 hours ago, integral said:

… if the whole world thinks the market’s gonna crash, it probably won’t

Never followed the herd

The best way is to ask Reddit what to invest in and do the exact opposite. People on Reddit are so wrong about stocks and other assets it's almost comical.

[PenguinPablo]

 

How is there no legal procedures in place to remove this moron from the white house?

 

[Lyubov]

What is the thought process behind these tariffs and whatnot? Like how do you rationalize and come to the conclusion this is a good idea? I genuinely think Trump is of average intelligence and reasoning abilities and this is purely a sort of petty eye for an eye move because he is such an egomaniac that in his world it just makes sense to run and function everything like this even if you’re president. I don’t think he’s really capable of any sort of coherent thinking and honest thinking and almost everything he does lacks impartial observation and reasoning. Crazy how someone like this can get power democratically. Goes to show people don’t vote based on reason or impartial logic. Just pure feeling and it leads right back to the person running in the campaign. I just hope the wake up calls aren’t so incredibly harsh that we have to scrape by for years and years after if he needs up really fucking things up due to his stupidity. I guess Musk has brainwashed himself as well, how are all the “smart” people surrounding Trump not talking sense into him? 

[Leo Gura]

8 minutes ago, Lyubov said:

how are all the “smart” people surrounding Trump not talking sense into him? 

Dude, drop that fantasy. No one will ever talk sense into him.

Anyone around Trump is as corrupt as Trump. It is a cabal of pure corruption and self-deception.

Ignorance elects ignorance. Corruption elects corruption.

Edited Friday at 06:33 AM by Leo Gura

[Talinn]

Trump probably has 85-95 iq points, if we're to use that scale. He's not as stupid as some people make him out to be, but he's also hardly of average intelligence.

[Leo Gura]

The problem isn't his IQ, it's his ridiculous level of narcissistic perosnality disorder and corruption.

It truly is like hiring a convicted pedophile to run a kids daycare center.

It is shamefully irresponsible.

Edited Friday at 08:38 AM by Leo Gura

[TrustTheProcess]

5 hours ago, Lyubov said:

What is the thought process behind these tariffs and whatnot? Like how do you rationalize and come to the conclusion this is a good idea? 

@Lyubov 

He is copying what Putin did when he first took power.

Here is the logic: 

1.    Trigger an Economic Crash on Purpose
    •    Use chaotic, unpredictable policies (tariffs, trade wars, regulatory rollbacks) to destabilize markets.
    •    Scare off foreign investors, weaken institutions, and create economic panic.
    •    This forces companies and assets to lose value rapidly.

2. Ensure Only Pre-Selected Insiders Have Liquidity
    •    While regular people panic and suffer, those in Trump’s inner circle hoard cash and prepare.
    •    The average investor can’t move quickly enough to buy the dip.
    •    Mass layoffs, bankruptcies, and financial struggles push desperate companies and people to sell their assets at fire-sale prices.

3. Let the Oligarchs Buy Everything for Pennies on the Dollar
    •    The only people with capital left standing are the pre-approved elites (Musk, Thiel, and other Trump-aligned billionaires).
    •    They buy up distressed assets—media, infrastructure, real estate, corporations—for a fraction of their actual worth.
    •    This further consolidates wealth and power into an even smaller class of elites.

4. Control the System & Never Let the Wealth Flow Back
    •    Once the economy “recovers,” these new monopolies and corporate empires become permanent.
    •    Any regulatory barriers to prevent this type of buyout are removed.
    •    Massive wealth extraction takes place as the middle class and small businesses never fully recover.

Also, the back and forth on the tariffs... you better believe trump's team is doing the most disgusting insider trading scam in history. 

Edited Friday at 11:55 AM by TrustTheProcess

[Lyubov]

2 hours ago, TrustTheProcess said:

@Lyubov 

He is copying what Putin did when he first took power.

Here is the logic: 

1.    Trigger an Economic Crash on Purpose
    •    Use chaotic, unpredictable policies (tariffs, trade wars, regulatory rollbacks) to destabilize markets.
    •    Scare off foreign investors, weaken institutions, and create economic panic.
    •    This forces companies and assets to lose value rapidly.

2. Ensure Only Pre-Selected Insiders Have Liquidity
    •    While regular people panic and suffer, those in Trump’s inner circle hoard cash and prepare.
    •    The average investor can’t move quickly enough to buy the dip.
    •    Mass layoffs, bankruptcies, and financial struggles push desperate companies and people to sell their assets at fire-sale prices.

3. Let the Oligarchs Buy Everything for Pennies on the Dollar
    •    The only people with capital left standing are the pre-approved elites (Musk, Thiel, and other Trump-aligned billionaires).
    •    They buy up distressed assets—media, infrastructure, real estate, corporations—for a fraction of their actual worth.
    •    This further consolidates wealth and power into an even smaller class of elites.

4. Control the System & Never Let the Wealth Flow Back
    •    Once the economy “recovers,” these new monopolies and corporate empires become permanent.
    •    Any regulatory barriers to prevent this type of buyout are removed.
    •    Massive wealth extraction takes place as the middle class and small businesses never fully recover.

Also, the back and forth on the tariffs... you better believe trump's team is doing the most disgusting insider trading scam in history. 

So basically everyone is going to be much poorer after Trump and economically it will be very difficult ?

[TrustTheProcess]

47 minutes ago, Lyubov said:

So basically everyone is going to be much poorer after Trump and economically it will be very difficult ?

 

[Frylock]

54 minutes ago, Lyubov said:

So basically everyone is going to be much poorer after Trump and economically it will be very difficult ?

Yes, but more importantly: r duh libz own3d yet?

[Lyubov]

Ugh, hopefully there’s some sort of new deal revolution or something to wake people up so we build back something better…. I don’t wanna live the rest of my life out under an oligarchy 

[Basman]

4 hours ago, TrustTheProcess said:

He is copying what Putin did when he first took power.

Here is the logic: 

1.    Trigger an Economic Crash on Purpose
    •    Use chaotic, unpredictable policies (tariffs, trade wars, regulatory rollbacks) to destabilize markets.
    •    Scare off foreign investors, weaken institutions, and create economic panic.
    •    This forces companies and assets to lose value rapidly.

2. Ensure Only Pre-Selected Insiders Have Liquidity
    •    While regular people panic and suffer, those in Trump’s inner circle hoard cash and prepare.
    •    The average investor can’t move quickly enough to buy the dip.
    •    Mass layoffs, bankruptcies, and financial struggles push desperate companies and people to sell their assets at fire-sale prices.

3. Let the Oligarchs Buy Everything for Pennies on the Dollar
    •    The only people with capital left standing are the pre-approved elites (Musk, Thiel, and other Trump-aligned billionaires).
    •    They buy up distressed assets—media, infrastructure, real estate, corporations—for a fraction of their actual worth.
    •    This further consolidates wealth and power into an even smaller class of elites.

4. Control the System & Never Let the Wealth Flow Back
    •    Once the economy “recovers,” these new monopolies and corporate empires become permanent.
    •    Any regulatory barriers to prevent this type of buyout are removed.
    •    Massive wealth extraction takes place as the middle class and small businesses never fully recover.

Also, the back and forth on the tariffs... you better believe trump's team is doing the most disgusting insider trading scam in history. 

That is terrifying if true.

What is most shocking is Americans not being able tell how bad Trump is for the country. It is a political disaster. Everyone I know here in Europe knows that Trump is terrible. It's treated as obvious. There's is something in the tap water across the pond.

[Frylock]

1 hour ago, Basman said:

That is terrifying if true.

What is most shocking is Americans not being able tell how bad Trump is for the country. It is a political disaster. Everyone I know here in Europe knows that Trump is terrible. It's treated as obvious. There's is something in the tap water across the pond.

I should know better than to have hope in the uneducated, lizard brained electorate, but the only thing we can hope for now is that the non-radicalized swing voters pull their heads out of their asses and rightfully condemn the Republican party.

Russia has been an authoritarian country forever, basically. The US has been a democracy since its inception. People aren't going to like their rights, power, and money being impacted in the long run.

[PurpleTree]

3 hours ago, Lyubov said:

 I don’t wanna live the rest of my life out under an oligarchy 

 

[Butters]

8 hours ago, TrustTheProcess said:

@Lyubov 

He is copying what Putin did when he first took power.

Here is the logic: 

1.    Trigger an Economic Crash on Purpose
    •    Use chaotic, unpredictable policies (tariffs, trade wars, regulatory rollbacks) to destabilize markets.
    •    Scare off foreign investors, weaken institutions, and create economic panic.
    •    This forces companies and assets to lose value rapidly.

2. Ensure Only Pre-Selected Insiders Have Liquidity
    •    While regular people panic and suffer, those in Trump’s inner circle hoard cash and prepare.
    •    The average investor can’t move quickly enough to buy the dip.
    •    Mass layoffs, bankruptcies, and financial struggles push desperate companies and people to sell their assets at fire-sale prices.

3. Let the Oligarchs Buy Everything for Pennies on the Dollar
    •    The only people with capital left standing are the pre-approved elites (Musk, Thiel, and other Trump-aligned billionaires).
    •    They buy up distressed assets—media, infrastructure, real estate, corporations—for a fraction of their actual worth.
    •    This further consolidates wealth and power into an even smaller class of elites.

4. Control the System & Never Let the Wealth Flow Back
    •    Once the economy “recovers,” these new monopolies and corporate empires become permanent.
    •    Any regulatory barriers to prevent this type of buyout are removed.
    •    Massive wealth extraction takes place as the middle class and small businesses never fully recover.

Also, the back and forth on the tariffs... you better believe trump's team is doing the most disgusting insider trading scam in history. 

Doesn't really work when there's a next election or he's impeached before then. That's the good news is Trump will be gone in less than 4 years but is already losing support. 

Edited Friday at 08:03 PM by Butters

[zazen]

 

The real economy runs on people and productivity, but the system we’ve got runs on printing and predation. The first two build civilisations and the real economy, last two grow financialized empires on the bones of the working class.

The economy is supposed to be made of three P’s - people, productivity, and printing. But only the first two are real. The third is just the duct tape holding together a broken economy. Printing exists because growth doesn’t. But even when growth does happen, it doesn’t even go where it should - due to financialization, thus we have a divergence of Main Street (real economy) and Wall Street (financialized economy).

Printing was originally meant to compensate for a lack of people or productivity. If a country had a shrinking workforce or stagnating innovation, monetary expansion could help bridge the gap temporarily by lowering borrowing costs, encouraging investment, and keeping the system running. But when the economy became financialized, printing took on a new role. Instead of being used to fuel real expansion, it became a siphoning mechanism - a way to extract economic gains away from the people actually producing them and toward those who control capital.

Even when productivity grows, wages stay stagnant. When workers produce more due to innovations and efficiencies, their share of the economy shrinks. Why? Because financialization changed the way growth is distributed. Instead of rewarding workers with higher wages, corporations use productivity gains to increase profits - and those profits don’t get reinvested in the people who created them. They get funneled into stock buybacks, leveraged asset acquisitions, and financial engineering schemes that boost corporate valuations without actually producing anything new.

Printing fuels that process. It doesn’t compensate workers but asset holders. When liquidity is injected, it doesn’t flow into wages or real economic growth but into financial markets. It inflates stock prices, real estate, and corporate assets, making the wealthy wealthier while doing nothing for the real economy. This is why there is a correlation of asset prices and stocks with the printing of money - fed intervention.

MAGA and libertarians who believe de-regulation = growth, are partially right. Deregulation can unleash growth, but that growth isn’t distributed in a financialized economy. Deregulation allowed corporations to stop reinvesting in wages and start pumping up stock values instead. Buybacks, asset inflation, and debt leveraged acquisitions is the new growth model.

This is why wages have stagnated while the economy has “expanded.” It’s not that growth isn’t happening but that all the benefits are getting funneled upward. 

And this is why the stock market will never fully collapse. It can dip and crash but it can’t be allowed to die. The system isn’t built on real economic activity anymore but on debt, collateralized against assets that must always go up. If asset prices fall too much, the credit markets seize up, and that’s game over. The financial system is a ponzi scheme in a bulletproof vest - its built to take a hit, but never to hit the ground.

They can let stocks take a hit and let small holders take losses, while the big players scoop up assets on the cheap. But once asset prices get affected too much and credit markets freeze, the Fed will step in with liquidity to avoid systemic collapse.

Edited Tuesday at 09:45 AM by zazen