I literally have seen the light

[Breakingthewall]

19 minutes ago, aurum said:

Relative = the absolute!

Otherwise you are making a duality.

All you have is experience. 

No , relative means the absolute reflecting in itself. without two any experience is impossible. the absolute is the infinite being, and the relative is the infinite mirage of the absolute reflecting in itself. the relative is an appearance, but it always happens, because non-experience is outside of time, therefore it does not happen, it is.

[TruthFreedom]

15 hours ago, aurum said:

You say we have knowledge good and evil, but you've still yet to define or give any criteria for what that is.

Seems rather strange given that good deeds are what get you to heaven, and bad deeds take you to hell.

If such knowledge is objective and innate, why is there so much disagreement among people?

How do we know we should listen to Jesus and not someone else? 

Watch the personal attacks.

OK, I'll answer as best I can.

We have knowledge of good and evil as innate intuition. This innate intuition comes from observing what is beneficial and what is not beneficial. Now. you could argue that murder is beneficial, because what is detrimental to one person may be beneficial to another. However, murder may give an individual access to resources or satisfy someone's sense of retribution or revenge, but how would it actually make the murderer feel? Do you think any murderers are actually happy? NO, of course they're not, because they've given in to a very animalistic desire for power. Our innate responses of shame and guilt negate these actions in most people. If we didn't have shame and guilt, then we would be no different from animals. Evolved individuals do not need to operate on animalistic impulses, as they can see the problems they cause. Evil literally means "not beneficial". Something that is "good", brings joy and peace to the greatest number of individuals. Something that is evil brings suffering. In Genesis, it says something like "God created the world. And He saw that it was good". Because it's easy to see what is good.

The reason that I mentioned Jesus is because he is an example of someone who was extremely spiritually aware, so he was able to guide people on what was beneficial and what was not beneficial. The proof is in the pudding. If you actually follow his instructions, then you will see that it is "good". Whereas, the murderer I mentioned earlier has done evil and his own conscience sends him to Hell, whether that is a physical place or simply an internal feeling.

[Breakingthewall]

3 hours ago, TruthFreedom said:

Do you think any murderers are actually happy?

Obama seems quite happy and he bombed lybia and he sent it back to the Middle Ages to stop it from selling its oil to China. After this he was given the Nobel Peace Prize. He did this because the Libyan president was evil, and they are good, so it is permissible to destroy an evil country. Not only permissible but an act of kindness that should be rewarded. 

Any morality is relative, as you could see.

[Sugarcoat]

Is heaven a physical place or realm of some sort? Or an internal state? Or maybe both 

[Sugarcoat]

Is heaven a physical place or realm of some sort? Or an internal state? Or maybe both 

[Breakingthewall]

37 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

Is heaven a physical place or realm of some sort? Or an internal state? Or maybe both 

Heaven is the absence of separation. The pure being that is anything that exists in its essence. Separation is necessary for life, life is separation, since it dies and need to survive. Life is the evolution of reality into more complex forms. Maybe life is a constant in the cosmos, maybe it's something punctual. 

Anyone who says they understand how and why the cosmos works is deceived, the infinite is unfathomable. We can only understand what we are, the infinite and eternal being that is our essence, and that is heaven.

Edited 3 hours ago by Breakingthewall

[TruthFreedom]

@Sugarcoat

Apparently "the kingdom of Heaven is within", according to the Bible. 

I personally believe it is also a place "up there" somewhere, based on Near-Death-Experience accounts that I have heard about.

[Ishanga]

2 hours ago, Sugarcoat said:

Is heaven a physical place or realm of some sort? Or an internal state? Or maybe both 

That's why I posted that the creation of a "Place or Realm" called Heaven is one of the worst crimes, why because now You think there is another place better than here, but maybe this is heaven and Your making it a hell scape?  Plus it indicates a separation of sorts, there is here then there, like there is now and then the past and future, but in reality there is only Now, there is Only Here, everything else is the dream or maya or made up things from your conditioned Mind, its Karma at play..  Play this game and You suffer for sure, realize the game and You live by Ease, at Peace naturally, make the choice! 

[Ishanga]

5 minutes ago, TruthFreedom said:

@Sugarcoat

Apparently "the kingdom of Heaven is within", according to the Bible. 

I personally believe it is also a place "up there" somewhere, based on Near-Death-Experience accounts that I have heard about.

The NDE where does it happen? Its happening within the person having the NDE, the ppl beside them or the doctors/nurses in the room if it is in that situation, they have no idea that the person on the table is having a NDE, so its all within You, it appears to be You going somewhere, that is the dream or maya, illusion appearing real, but its all within You, then they come back, tell their truth, which is only a story for You and Me..

[TruthFreedom]

@Ishanga

People literally float above their bodies and are able to witness things happening in the room, whilst their physical body is literally dead (no pulse, no brain activity)

This has been verified, so to say that it is all within is simply false.

Check out some NDE accounts on youtube.

[Ishanga]

7 minutes ago, TruthFreedom said:

@Ishanga

People literally float above their bodies and are able to witness things happening in the room, whilst their physical body is literally dead (no pulse, no brain activity)

This has been verified, so to say that it is all within is simply false.

Check out some NDE accounts on youtube.

I have, many of them, and there are many "Bodies" not just the Food or Physical Body, so it is still happening within them, some call the astral body, others call it the etheric body, its a transitional body, btwn physicality and non physicality, but its still a body of sorts...

[TruthFreedom]

2 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

I have, many of them, and there are many "Bodies" not just the Food or Physical Body, so it is still happening within them, some call the astral body, others call it the etheric body, its a transitional body, btwn physicality and non physicality, but its still a body of sorts...

I would say that the astral body is literally what you are, and doesn't have an "inside" and "outside"

[Ishanga]

4 minutes ago, TruthFreedom said:

I would say that the astral body is literally what you are, and doesn't have an "inside" and "outside"

Well there is a Bliss Body, which comes after the Astral Body, they call it Bliss Body because it is indescribable what it is, but when Your InTouch with it You Feel Bliss, I am not sure if this is the Atman/Soul or something else, but its non physical in nature. I've read as well that when You can Consciously access the astral Body, all desires are accessible, its like living in a Holodeck from Star Trek, You can create any reality or experience. But it all happens within You, these are just parts of You, Liberation is total annihilation of all of this, no more individuality or Bodies of any nature, no more ability to Experience anything, just merge with Absolute, like a drop of the Ocean going back into the Ocean...