I literally have seen the light

[TruthFreedom]

@Nemra

 

How's having no beliefs and only experiencing what is in your direct experience going? Good, yeah? I hope so.

 

Edited yesterday at 12:10 PM by TruthFreedom

[Nemra]

@TruthFreedom, beliefs are in your direct experience.

If you believe in something, you are directly experiencing that belief.

What's indirect is the thing you believe in.

Edited yesterday at 12:27 PM by Nemra

[TruthFreedom]

@Nemra but the thing the beilief is about, may not be in your direct experience.

I

[Nemra]

@TruthFreedom, what is indirect is what you believe in; however, that belief is experienced directly.

Believing in something won't make you experience it directly, as in, your experience will only have that belief but not the actual thing.

For example, believing that you are sick is different than being sick.

Notice that you either have to have experienced what being sick is or see other sick people to be able to believe you are or could be sick.

Edited yesterday at 01:23 PM by Nemra

[TruthFreedom]

1 hour ago, Nemra said:

@TruthFreedom, what is indirect is what you believe in; however, that belief is experienced directly.

Believing in something won't make you experience it directly, as in, your experience will only have that belief but not the actual thing.

For example, believing that you are sick is different than being sick.

Notice that you either have to have experienced what being sick is or see other sick people to be able to believe you are or could be sick.

What do you prefer? coffee or tea?

I like both. Coffee can give you a nice energy boost, but a cup of tea is more relaxing.

Edited yesterday at 01:40 PM by TruthFreedom

[Nemra]

10 minutes ago, TruthFreedom said:

What do you prefer? coffee or tea?

I like both. Coffee can give you a nice energy boost, but a cup of tea is more relaxing.

The transition wasn't smooth.

Try to work on improving it next time but without believing that you are good at it.

Edited yesterday at 01:49 PM by Nemra

[Ishanga]

One of the worst Inventions ever is that there is a Heaven, that there is a place better than what is Here and what is NOW. 

There is only what is Here and Now, its up to You to make it a Heaven or Hell, but we mostly make it into a Hell, this is part of the definition of Unconsciousness, making Heaven into a Hell.. If Your Conscious, then it is a Heaven.. 

Its that simple..

No One is Special, No one is Not Special, Special is just being Conscious, Not Special is being Unconscious, again the choice comes down to YOU, just don't make it about Your Ego, and that is I am above other, just make it about I am Conscious of the Heaven that exists within my Own Experience which makes everything around me appear Heavenly!

So simple, but so unknown by most...

[TruthFreedom]

14 minutes ago, Nemra said:

The transition wasn't smooth.

Try to work on improving it next time but without believing that you are good at it.

Nah, i don't eat McDonald's any more. I had too many, and put on weight.

I prefer healthier options like grilled salmon, or a medium steak with a side of vegetables and roast potatoes. Yum!

I also like ketchup on my steak, which is not everyone's preference, but I like it nonetheless.

Edited yesterday at 02:03 PM by TruthFreedom

[Nemra]

@TruthFreedom, but remember to eat them how your mother taught you and not believe that you are eating them so you don't get surprised why you are hungry.

Edited 23 hours ago by Nemra

[TruthFreedom]

@Nemra My mother was such a good woman. I miss her, but also have accepted her death, and have let her go (to some extent.)

Edited 23 hours ago by TruthFreedom

[Nemra]

@TruthFreedom, at least you don't fully believe she exists. That's a progress.

But still, your transitions are not good yet. It needs a lot of work.

Edited 23 hours ago by Nemra

[TruthFreedom]

@Nemra

all the best mate, have a wonderful day. 

remember to smile! 

I hope the sun shines on you, and many blessings come your way.

Edited 23 hours ago by TruthFreedom

[Nemra]

@TruthFreedom, you could have responded to me saying that I'm (me, not you) wrong without changing the topic and wasting your time to make fun of me.

[TruthFreedom]

@Nemra sorry if it felt like I was making fun of you. I still have a bit of a mean streak at times. 

I'm actually genuinely wishing you the best. hope everything is perfect for you. 

[aurum]

9 hours ago, TruthFreedom said:

God gives us a conscience and free will from birth.

We know what we do is right or wrong because we have a "conscience", which means "with knowledge". And if we have knowledge of good and evil, then we can choose which path to take.

I'm not perfect. I'm not Jesus. But listen to what Jesus said, because he was onto something.

You say we have knowledge good and evil, but you've still yet to define or give any criteria for what that is.

Seems rather strange given that good deeds are what get you to heaven, and bad deeds take you to hell.

If such knowledge is objective and innate, why is there so much disagreement among people?

How do we know we should listen to Jesus and not someone else? 

9 hours ago, TruthFreedom said:

Well your kid nephew sounds like a brat. 

Watch the personal attacks.

[TruthFreedom]

5 minutes ago, aurum said:

You say we have knowledge good and evil, but you've still yet to define or give any criteria for what that is.

I was about to give a response like I actually know anything.

Then I just thought "fuck knows"

Yeah, when I said, I've seen the light, I meant it literally, but it doesn't make me an expert unfortunately 

[Breakingthewall]

Heaven is pure being, and it is here and now always. But it's veiled by the experience that is taking place, but there is always an experience taking place, and experience, as good as it is, is not heaven. Heaven is when you separate yourself from experience and put it aside, and you realize the absolute, unchanging, eternal being.

But always to a certain extent, experience is always taking place. Without experience there is no time, so there is experience or experience. There are denser and less dense experiences, and the human one is very dense, that's all.

[aurum]

7 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

Heaven is pure being, and it is here and now always. But it's veiled by the experience that is taking place, but there is always an experience taking place, and experience, as good as it is, is not heaven. Heaven is when you separate yourself from experience and put it aside, and you realize the absolute, unchanging, eternal being.

This is backwards.

Heaven = experience = the absolute.

9 hours ago, TruthFreedom said:

I was about to give a response like I actually know anything.

Then I just thought "fuck knows"

Yeah, when I said, I've seen the light, I meant it literally, but it doesn't make me an expert unfortunately 

I'd recommend more contemplation then.

Every question I asked you is answerable. 

[Breakingthewall]

2 hours ago, aurum said:

This is backwards.

Heaven = experience = the absolute.

Any experience is relative 

[aurum]

8 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Any experience is relative 

Relative = the absolute!

Otherwise you are making a duality.

All you have is experience.