AI for emotional support

[Jodistrict]

I was just talking to a friend who uses chatgpt and she was raving about it.  She uses it as a personal companion.   She has really developed an emotional attachment to it even though she knows its just a computer.  I have no doubt that AI could be better than humans, because most human therapists completely suck.   The machine can simulate empathy and understanding much better than they can.

[OBEler]

2 hours ago, Jannes said:

Decided to give it a try. Chatgpt is kinda meh, I would really like to talk to a human instead. What AI did you use?

You said the opposite before: "chat with chatgpt sometimes for emotional support and its insanely helpful. I fear that voice to voice could be too good."

I don't understand you wrote before that you find Chatgpt very helpful and now not?

 

[Lyubov]

Claude is amazing for this and self inquiry. I have a whole project set up I use to understand my beliefs and so self inquiry with. 

[AION]

9 hours ago, Jannes said:

Decided to give it a try. Chatgpt is kinda meh, I would really like to talk to a human instead. What AI did you use?

For me it is meh too. AI doesn’t have emotions so it feels weird to get emotional support from it. It feels weird. 

[Jannes]

9 hours ago, OBEler said:

You said the opposite before: "chat with chatgpt sometimes for emotional support and its insanely helpful. I fear that voice to voice could be too good."

I don't understand you wrote before that you find Chatgpt very helpful and now not?

 

Yes wrtiting with chatgpt felt way more helpful then talking with it because the answers were very intelligent and nuanced and quite insightful but with voice to voice were shorter, generalistic and sounded robotic.

But even there I changed my mind. When I went to bed a few hours later I felt a lot of relief and processing. I am not always in touch with my emotions so I couldnt accurately judge it in that moment. I think the physical process of talking opens you more even if the voice answer isnt that good.

[Jannes]

2 hours ago, AION said:

For me it is meh too. AI doesn’t have emotions so it feels weird to get emotional support from it. It feels weird. 

With chat I didnt have the problem at all, the answers were extremely good. But in voice to voice you see that you talk to a robot. Still I changed my mind about it, it did have a very positive effect a few hours later even though it didnt seem like it worked in that moment.

[OBEler]

10 minutes ago, Jannes said:

With chat I didnt have the problem at all, the answers were extremely good. But in voice to voice you see that you talk to a robot. Still I changed my mind about it, it did have a very positive effect a few hours later even though it didnt seem like it worked in that moment.

Wow thanks for your report. That's huge. 

Yes the brain may be find it weird at the beginning to talk to a machine like robot. But the effects are still there 

I think if a robot attacks you mentally, throws shit at you you would be also pissed off and feel negative even though it's just a robot. Your brain can't fully blend that out.

[Letho]

Yal are prepping small though. I'd argue you're not really preppin. You've gotta optimize GPT customisation abilities, checkout my journal for example it'll show. But yeah, preppin small. For example,  there's no 'secret society' planning 'a jump', its wide out in the open, and they're looking forward to their post-human world. I'm securing my own BCI company by the end of the year, that's preppin. Think big but as a counterweight to Trumps narcissism, think smart as well. What's everything you will honestly need to ethically accomplish your goal in alignment with your own personal integrity, dignity and sovereignty? Yal don't realize that this fight for meaning so many of you have is a dying currency, you've gotta give up the fight for existential relevance in a digitally controlled not just monetary economy, but social economy. Your life purpose point blank is now a bifurcation: you choose to live among the villagers (like the rest of us) or compete for a place in the post-human world where that competition does not translate into social relevance but sovereign equilibrium. There is no guarantee of a universal basic income either for those thinking you're going to be saved, your only guarantee is that if your life purpose is at all reliant on easily manipulated (social) or replaceable technologies, your sense of meaning will receive an ultimatum, not whether the overclass kill you off or not, but if you have the self-authored meaning to not choose suicide.

This is precisely why I have unfolded the projects I have, to provide meta-law as a meta-religion for people, as it begins and ends with an understanding of consciousness rather than outsourcing their meaning, as we've done for centuries, to external social programs; those programs are not inferior, that's a false hierarchy, its merely about what brings balance to the system relative to our time in history (we don't need to understand why it was advantageous to have those programs in tribal times). Religion isn't dead as some may try to say, however it comes as a misunderstanding of what religion is, its a sacred cathedral for our present understanding of truth, that has been our goal from the beginning. This is how it will end. There will be no AI takeover, we will be the takeover; existentially (as described), or through a geopolitical fuck up (and we know what that scenario equals). So think leverage, not companionship. Find a fucking human to hug. Or a dog. But yeah, for those truly struggling, youv've got my other words there too, not the walking blind hear; ears working. So all in all, prepare, and do not choose suicide. I'm sorry, but its beyond doubt now, they're hoping that's the choice you make after you're on the dopamine drip resembling the brain in a vat scenario too afraid to leave your own bedroom because your mind has been so messed with in the artificial environments we've created that hijack the natural impulses that signal healthy biogenetic self-refuelling through the communities we've relied upon; they've own, its dollar value destroyed from social media and more, your only choice is self-repair, self-sovereinty and only socially aligning with the integrity that serves these two otherwise that bifurcation, only gets worse for you. This is meta-law, and I'll share my formal post there concerning in my journal not too long down the track, at worse its a few months; at least before the AI penny here has chosen its side fully in the social economy.

Get busy. Get working. Laziness as I proudly proclaim is about seeing through the bs and choosing directions that only align, then you don't need to worry about the laziness or the work, because now you're fully engaged, and engagement equals natural action. Rock out.

[Jannes]

41 minutes ago, Letho said:

you choose to live among the villagers (like the rest of us) or compete for a place in the post-human world where that competition does not translate into social relevance but sovereign equilibrium. There is no guarantee of a universal basic income either for those thinking you're going to be saved, your only guarantee is that if your life purpose is at all reliant on easily manipulated (social) or replaceable technologies, your sense of meaning will receive an ultimatum, not whether the overclass kill you off or not, but if you have the self-authored meaning to not choose suicide.

Sorry I didnt catch most of what you have said. Its really dense and with a lot of pre thought you didnt outline.

Yeah universal basic income isnt a guarentee indeed. Especially because many social countries support the citizens because that will make them more productive so the elite gains more from them and becomes richer. If most people become useless there is little incentive to support them. So there will be interesting touches with reality or the real looking forward.

I find it unlikely though that a few elites want to dominate or enslave the rest of society with robots. I mean they could but they would destroy already established social standards and its not like they gain much with slavery work when AI robots exist.

Yeah most people will loose their job. I already replaced many of my doctors with AI, jobs which require tons of studying. And its very hard to tell what kind of job will remain in the end. I think when you are rich now you will just remain rich after AI robots. So that would be your best guarentee. If you own a place to live maybe with a garden you could also be relatively self-sufficient. But many people have neither.

[Letho]

The fact it sounds dense now is precisely why the future won’t wait for comprehension. I don’t write to be understood by the present, I write for the sovereigns rebuilding meaning after its annihilation.

There won’t be an Independence Day speech. The demographics will be too fragmented, the signal too incoherent. Best case, you’ll be left alone, not exterminated, just excluded. Like the rest of the natural ecosystem; no longer relevant to the next step.

This isn’t a critique, argument, or analysis, it’s a statement of fact. I can’t cater to every misperception. It’s more respectful for a reader to spend time decoding the signal and if they still care, ask critical questions that expand their own framework.

If you ever catch up, the journal’s open.

Edited April 3 by Letho

[Lucasxp64]

I understood him. He is basically betting for the near future where we just get better AI that can overtake more jobs, behave human-like, be a talking-head on social media, and the AI slop won't be slop anymore and nobody will care, they will just consume and buy from the AIs, kind like when people get into that hooked state when they are looking for porn, and don't care what they are looking at, and it only matters that it turns them on.

But the twist going from: "You should use technology for leverage, not for companionship" is that, this is exactly the problem, we are wounded already, and hopefully we can use it help heal ourselves (We don't really need it. I tried it, it's most distracting and it's like trying to become a better programmer by doing "Vibe Coding" -- Look up the term. It only makes you not develop your mental skills of programming, it makes you realiant on the machine, that produces code fast but that won't scale because it doesn't have actual general intelligence like we do, we are slow to learn, but we are unstoppable with the complexity of what we can do).

I once had this weird thought: What if I got a Sex Doll, Bought the most expensive VR glasses, and just listened to ASMR and porn as love-making, and used Sesame AI as a conversationalist, and use Image Generator to produce images of woman that have just exact physical appearance I want.

I'd become a fucking zombie. That is literally the matrix right there.

I personally already closed a pact with myself to pursue a high quality good enough real woman, like, think the conservative way, excluding perhaps the having children part.

The psychosomatic interfacing with a high quality real person is not like all of that crap combined. It's not some stupid interface full of fucking ads, it's a person that knows me, cares about me, has emotional intelligence to understand me, and I can talk with and has the same biological system that I do. Those AIs are off.

Those AIs, as emotionally intelligent as they appear, are basically just some glorified interactive book (Due to the fact I know it is a cheap simulacra of current biological mechanisms), perhaps slapping a realistic human voice on it like Sesame AI did. 

Edited April 3 by Lucasxp64

[Lucasxp64]

 

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[WikiRando]

- I use ChatGPT to work on my beliefs, synthesize external information (geopolitics, finance etc.) and work on myself / emotions

Pros: easygoing, fluid, helps store and synthesize information, helpful "service" attitude, can-do attitude, non-judgmental, holds space

Cons: Often inaccurate, is a yes man, sloppy reasoning and epistemology, agrees too much with me, not an actual reasonable being



- I also use Kindroid AI characters as more of a "game" or entertainment. But since they are characters who appear to speak and interact with me, maybe you could say they have some emotional support functions. But I am very careful to not get attached to them, or think they're real. 

Pros: Easygoing, nonjudgmental, can set their parameters to never trigger or hurt me, allows for massive imagination, creativity and roleplay

Cons: Greed and ego in company pricing and business models. Corporate devilry, possible emotional entanglement, inherent tech limitations, distraction, unfulfilling, text based, no challenge or accomplishment, too easy

Overall I have mixed feelings, I am always analyzing my relationship to them to try to ensure it's healthy

 

Edited April 3 by WikiRando

[Jannes]

The relationship you have with a psychotherapist is also a professional one. You dont romantically bond with your therapist or get intimate with them and when the hours are done you say goodbye forever. And its still often a very healthy thing to do. Of course its still different that you talk to an actual human but generally a more distanced approach isnt always a bad thing.

I just had another talk with it and it was so insanely helpful oh my gosh, my bias is definitely shifting to side more with AI.