Top Proofs For The Existence Of God

[zurew]

6 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Even logic requires observation to make sense of it.

That sounds like that you are using a completely different definition of observation compared to how not just most people, but how a good chunk of philosophers use those terms.

Which is all fine, but substantially your claims and arguments in that case are not impressive at all, because they can be boiled down to a set of trivially true statements that all philosophers can agree with.

[Leo Gura]

@zurew

The problem is that nobody is conscious of what observation really is.

Observation is Existence/Truth.

The only reason anyone can know anything is because things are illuminated by virtue of being Truth or Existing.

Observation is not some material process. It is Truth being True.

The reason you can know God is the reason you can know anything. Because its True. If nothing was true, nothing would be known or observed.

Knowing is Being.

Edited 15 hours ago by Leo Gura

[Davino]

Oh Leo wanted to thank you for this video. I've been having truckloads of insights and micro-to-macro epiphanies. I'm just one third in, it's so condensed it takes a lot of time to digest. I feel words make no justice to the value and impact this episode has made in me. I still have 2/3 to go which blows my mind honestly. In my eyes this is the best work you've ever produced. Congratulations.

Have you thought of enabling the option of YouTube super thanks? 

Btw, in an immense download of insights it came to me that sunbathing would make you good. Idk, but just wanted to communicate it for respect to that epic state of consciousness in which the insight came, you may ignore this paragraph.

[LastThursday]

@Leo Gura Half way through the vid and it's good so far.

I've argued for the process of evolution on here before being able to explain the intelligence of biology, no God required. But you're quite right that without knowing how life itself arose from non-biological matter, then evolution doesn't have a firm base (because evolution implies a very long chain of cause and effect). My two ideas are that 1) there isn't a difference between dead and alive matter, it's a completely smooth sliding scale from one to the other. 2) life bootstrapped itself from non-life by obtaining a sense of self or identity, i.e. to be alive any alive thing needs to keep itself intact against everything else.

My other observervation is about infinity. You exlude mathematical infinity in the arguments, but any discussion about infinity really does have to be mathematical in some sense. The definition of an "absolute" infinity being the lump sum of everything is ultimately circular; because who's to say that there are infinitely many things to lump in? A better definition of infinity should always say something about unboundedness and not how much it can contain. It's non-obvious that reality is unbounded in every aspect.

I'm hoping for some subjective idealist arguments in the second half, here goes...

Edited 12 hours ago by LastThursday

[Nemra]

I think that the reason why God is thought of as a separate being is that survival requires people to think of the world as materialistic. Atheists are more honest about that than religious people.

I think that religious people are actually materialists lost in spiritual beliefs.

[Princess Arabia]

@Leo GuraBeautiful video. Thank you for your service and hard work.

[Nemo28]

As he said in the video, religions serve (major) social function as well as they point to that ultimate reality. But ofc no one religion holds the Truth. I would argue though that they do hold the lesser Truth if you equate it with the relief from suffering (mental, emotional, physical, financial etc), more importantly from despair and anguish of the soul that you feel when you become terrifyingly alone. So alone that reality disintegrates and you are spiralling into eternal madness with no hope ever that you would return normal, Im sure Leo knows that experience (probably times 100x). Religions have that support structure that can take you out of that despair. And lets be honest, if you are suffering really, really bad, all you want is relief and you would hold to anything, believe in anything (even in a lie) if that would alleviate it. So lies are important, they can easily become truth under right circumstances. Truth is relative (and always present, hello).

[freddyteisen]

5 hours ago, Davino said:

Btw, in an immense download of insights it came to me that sunbathing would make you good.

I agree—Leo needs more Sun—The Life source on earth.

and Yes, an amazing, very dense episode.