Spiritual Trump supporters

[How to be wise]

I’ve seen many people who were teaching Tier 2 material before they revealed they were supporting Trump. Arguably the most famous example is Don Beck, co-founder of Spiral Dynamics itself!

Anyway, just today I came across another one. I’ve known Theo Von mostly for being a die hard Trump supporter. You would think this is your typical stage Blue Christian. Yet I was surprised to find him interviewing one of the most enlightened people of today, a name that no doubt you all know very well: Sadhguru. 
 

If Theo Von is hosting sadhguru, he must have at least some familiarity with spirituality and consciousness. Why would such people be Trump supporters? 
 

 

[Wilhelm44]

@How to be wise, see my post today in the society section: "Don't worry, Trump supporters will be forced to come to their senses,"

[Leo Gura]

1 hour ago, How to be wise said:

If Theo Von is hosting sadhguru, he must have at least some familiarity with spirituality and consciousness.

Why would you assume that?

These podcast guests do circuits. It's a well-oiled cash machine. Theo Von has people who just book guests for him, and Sadhguru has his cult monkeys who book all his public events.

It's just business. You are attaching some spiritual meaning to it.

But yes, most spiritual people are fools and have the political intelligence of mentally disabled children. This is not news any more.

Edited Friday at 10:47 AM by Leo Gura

[ExploringReality]

He's not generating a single insight or a thought, he's just agreeing and regurgitating what sadhguru is saying.

[JosephKnecht]

You can't be spiritual and Trump supporter. 

It is antithetical. Pick one. 

Just don't pick Trump. 

[Wilhelm44]

35 minutes ago, JosephKnecht said:

You can't be spiritual and Trump supporter. 

It is antithetical. Pick one. 

Just don't pick Trump. 

Yes you can, anyone can be temporarily deluded. 

[Schizophonia]

Non duality.

[Applegarden8]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

Why would you assume that?

These podcast guests do circuits. It's a well-oiled cash machine. Theo Von has people who just book guests for him, and Sadhguru has his cult monkeys who book all his public events.

It's just business. You are attaching some spiritual meaning to it.

But yes, most spiritual people are fools and have the political intelligence of mentally disabled children. This is not news any more.

Cult monkeys. That's interesting, but I will take it, thanks. Human being is a social animal... needs to have good role models to show what's even possible... or else he will be another cult monkey, like Trump or Tesla cult monkey or crypto bro etc. Why not just give him credit where credit is due is what I don't underestand, why to insult his followers like they are pathological and beyond saving from some kind of negative force.

Edited Friday at 12:16 PM by Applegarden8

[Chadders]

3 hours ago, How to be wise said:

I’ve seen many people who were teaching Tier 2 material before they revealed they were supporting Trump. Arguably the most famous example is Don Beck, co-founder of Spiral Dynamics itself!

Anyway, just today I came across another one. I’ve known Theo Von mostly for being a die hard Trump supporter. You would think this is your typical stage Blue Christian. Yet I was surprised to find him interviewing one of the most enlightened people of today, a name that no doubt you all know very well: Sadhguru. 
 

If Theo Von is hosting sadhguru, he must have at least some familiarity with spirituality and consciousness. Why would such people be Trump supporters? 
 

 

I would explain this from Ken Wilber’s perspective of growing up alongside waking up. They may have had some awakening but they have not developed the perspectival element in growing up to see the impact of trumpism on the wider society and the narcissism/immaturity at its heart

I’ve never heard of any of them anyway. They do not seem to be the real deal. True spiritually connected people I would say are people like Leo, Eckhart Tolle, Ken Wilber, David Deida. Stick with them

As for Sadhguru he has connection to the divine I would imagine but I just don’t rate him like I would the above people. He’s too celeb

[How to be wise]

@Chadders I wouldn’t be so sure about Eckhart Tolle. He seemed to be on the same page as Russel Brand in an interview; Russel Brand endorsed Trump.

 

[How to be wise]

@Leo Gura Theo Von: “The war zone is more inside of me; it’s not on the outside.” That sounds like typical spirituality to me. 

[Chadders]

@How to be wise I didn’t know about that. He is within the celeb culture of spiritual people like Sadhguru so that is something to be aware of

Yeh Russell Brand is a wanker

I’m not sure what they were discussing so I can’t say for sure but it does raise an eyebrow from me

[gettoefl]

I say Trump is doing okay. With Biden there was no problem that could be solved. With Trump there is no problem that cannot be solved. It's still his honeymoon period and he is throwing his weight around, sometimes recklessly sometimes deftly. Politics is prime time news now and people are getting educated about issues thanks to Trump. I see him as a paper tiger. When stuff starts to go bad and the ratings tank, he will back down and become a moderate again. If it goes well he will continue blazing the trail. Trump isn't making decisions; it's the smart people he has assembled around him. 

Let me make a bold claim: all politicians will be like Trump from now on - charismatic, energetic and straight talking. Politics will be front page news from now on and politicians will have spats with each other in public. Dictators can have a clean slate at the start of the political cycle and must come to the table and negotiate for peace. Yes Putin and Hamas, I am speaking about you. If you don't, you will pay heftily. 

[Vibes]

18 minutes ago, gettoefl said:

straight talking

wtf

[gettoefl]

2 minutes ago, Vibes said:

wtf

No politician has been a straight talker before him.

[Applegarden8]

30 minutes ago, gettoefl said:

 it's the smart people he has assembled around him. 

Smart people and Elon Musk? Where are those people? The people fleeing town halls? The Trump administration? The people criticized Zuckerberg on bond and now that he is a Repiblican donor, somehow won't for the same issues?

[gettoefl]

8 minutes ago, Applegarden8 said:

Smart people and Elon Musk? Where are those people? The people fleeing town halls? The Trump administration? The people criticized Zuckerberg on bond and now that he is a Repiblican donor, somehow won't for the same issues?

All politics is essentially rule by the consensus of a few trusted insiders. Trump knows he needs to have good experts around him. If they make a bad call, they will be fired. He is loyal to no one except himself right? and this is commendable. If Elon starts getting too much flak, he will be dropped. So far it's been a successful duo.

Edited Friday at 03:05 PM by gettoefl

[Scholar]

5 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Why would you assume that?

These podcast guests do circuits. It's a well-oiled cash machine. Theo Von has people who just book guests for him, and Sadhguru has his cult monkeys who book all his public events.

When do we get the Leo cult monkeys who book you appearances on JRE? 

[Applegarden8]

1 hour ago, gettoefl said:

All politics is essentially rule by the consensus of a few trusted insiders. Trump knows he needs to have good experts around him. If they make a bad call, they will be fired. He is loyal to no one except himself right? and this is commendable. If Elon starts getting too much flak, he will be dropped. So far it's been a successful duo.

I watched Trump/Hilary debate today. At that time he showed to be smarter and more on point when it came to economics. Right now his rhetoric has changed drastically. Yes, you are making good points, however, as we speak Elon is getting flak, and was demoted to giving recommendations. Maybe it was just a formal "bad Elon". Interesting to see it playing out.

[gettoefl]

1 hour ago, Applegarden8 said:

I watched Trump/Hilary debate today. At that time he showed to be smarter and more on point when it came to economics. Right now his rhetoric has changed drastically. Yes, you are making good points, however, as we speak Elon is getting flak, and was demoted to giving recommendations. Maybe it was just a formal "bad Elon". Interesting to see it playing out.

Yes his star may be dimming. Trump won't waste time in picking someone else. Elon can easily become a liability.

The thing about the US president is that it is the goal of the whole political machine to make him look good and right. He is the country's leading man. First two years of this term, he can ride this wave of good will and wide berth. It's an opportunity to set in motion unimaginable changes which could be great or could be terrible. This momentum may well result in a good enduring peace in Ukraine before month's end. This will buy him a lot more political capital to get more difficult deals sorted. Success begets success. Nobody will doubt your magic touch.

Edited Friday at 05:46 PM by gettoefl