$20,000 ChatGPT subscription

[integral]

They are planning to charge $20,000 a month apparently for a PhD level AI agent

Edited Thursday at 05:19 AM by integral

[Letho]

If it delivers, the price is irrelevant. Silicon Valley’s elite won’t just use it, they’ll build power structures around it. Creativity hubs, think tanks, entire AI-driven monopolies. The real question is who shapes its intelligence and who wields it to dominate?

[AION]

So it begins 

[Letho]

So it begins, indeed.

[ And I'd be one of the users by the way, it's a no-brainer ]

If we’re serious about integrating AI into personal development, this forum should be at the forefront of optimizing its availability. The tools exist, but most people are still scattered in their approach. Why not build something here that streamlines AI for self-mastery, productivity, and growth? Mods should nag Leo, this shift is too big to ignore.

AI isn’t just about automation; it’s a paradigm shift in how we think, learn, and evolve. I’d love to help people monetize AI, refine workflows, and explore more intelligent ways of interacting, not just with tech, but with ourselves and each other.

@integral, you’ve brought this color up before, now I’m genuinely interested in where we can push the forum forward. Everyone will soon be thinking about how to leverage AI for their own development, why not lead that conversation now? 

[OBEler]

@Letho I don't understand, people use Chatgpt4 regular here.

[Letho]

1 hour ago, OBEler said:

@Letho I don't understand, people use Chatgpt4 regular here.

$20,000 AI isn’t ChatGPT4. Using ChatGPT4 casually on the forum vs. structuring the site for the next paradigm are worlds apart. It’s leverage. The real shift isn’t access, it’s optimization. That’s the conversation worth having. 

[OBEler]

4 minutes ago, Letho said:

$20,000 AI isn’t ChatGPT4. Using ChatGPT4 casually on the forum vs. structuring the site for the next paradigm are worlds apart. It’s leverage. The real shift isn’t access, it’s optimization. That’s the conversation worth having. 

Can you be more concrete? What should be optimized. You right now throw around with buzzwords.

Edited Thursday at 09:48 AM by OBEler

[Letho]

@OBEler Clarity follows context. If it sounds like buzzwords, the paradigm shift hasn’t clicked yet. The optimization is structured AI integration, leveraging high-level agents beyond casual use. If that’s not obvious yet, give it time. It will be.

[OBEler]

2 hours ago, Letho said:

@OBEler Clarity follows context. If it sounds like buzzwords, the paradigm shift hasn’t clicked yet. The optimization is structured AI integration, leveraging high-level agents beyond casual use. If that’s not obvious yet, give it time. It will be.

That's the typical tech bro talk from people with low technical understanding. If you cannot name one concrete thing which can be implemented soon then this talk is empty.

 

 

[integral]

@Letho

1) I thought about this for a while but don't see a good solution. One solution I thought of is to create a mind map structure that enforces a epistemological standard and people on the form will come together to build that mind map while following epistemological rules.

Let's imagine instead of creating a new topic you create a new mind map, and then everyone contributes to that mind map instead of having a conversation. 

Basically this reinvents the conversation so instead of building a linear list of responses we build a 2d mind map that enforces a specific truth-seeking framework. And AI can be used to enforce the truth seeking framework.

I see it as we need some kind of structure to allow us to communicate with the highest Truth frameworks in a slightly more rigorous way while keeping things open for the discussion to go into any direction in a casual way.

 

2) Another possibility is just starting a new social media platform for Consciousness work, with some kind of AI integration where the algorithm limits slop and prompts the most conscious material on any Niche or subject.

3) have an AI moderator that exists in the comment box and enforces some kind of epistemological standard.

4) AI Voice Assistant that are trained on all of Leo's work, or high Consciousness material, and the AI voice is designed to be fun have a good vibe while moving the direction always in the most conscious Direction possible.

 

The tricky part is keeping it fun while allowing things to flow in the epistemologically correct direction removing human bias.

Edited Thursday at 01:04 PM by integral

[Wilhelm44]

3 minutes ago, integral said:

@Letho I thought about this for a while but don't see a good solution. One solution I thought of is to create a mind map structure that enforces a epistemological standard and people on the form will come together to build that mind map while following epistemological rules.

Let's imagine instead of creating a new topic you create a new mind map, and then everyone contributes to that mind map instead of having a conversation. 

Basically this reinvents the conversation so instead of building a linear list of responses or building a 2d mind map that enforces a specific truth-seeking framework. And AI can be used to enforce the truth seeking framework.

I see it as we need some kind of structure to allow us to communicate with the highest Truth frameworks in a slightly more rigorous way while keeping them openness for the discussion to go into any direction in a casual way.

 

Another possibility is just starting a new social media platform for Consciousness work, with some kind of AI integration where the algorithm limits the most conscious material on any Niche or subject.

How would AI or the algorithm know what's the most conscious material ?

[integral]

Just now, Wilhelm44 said:

How would AI or the algorithm know what's the most conscious material ?

It would have to be trained to calculate how much self-deception and limitations exist Within any piece of content. There's a wide range of niches that have to be accounted for.

It also has to be monetizable and fit within some kind of economic system.

Basically it's a pipe dream.

[integral]

@Wilhelm44 the most powerful form of teaching is often just an well written story that incorporates a new insight. And then that is rooted more deeply into a person and changes them because they experienced a journey. Well written stories almost gives people firsthand experiences.

Like the Black Mirror series merges future technology and twisted scenarios that stick.

I'm waiting for AI to be better at writing to start making content like this.

I disagree with Leo that the algorithm only promotes slop, I think the problem is is just much harder to make something that's good + addictive + high consciousness, but I believe it's 100% possible.

Edited Thursday at 01:18 PM by integral

[Wilhelm44]

23 minutes ago, integral said:

@Wilhelm44 the most powerful form of teaching is often just an well written story that incorporates a new insight. And then that is rooted more deeply into a person and changes them because they experienced a journey. Well written stories almost gives people firsthand experiences.

Like the Black Mirror series merges future technology and twisted scenarios that stick.

I'm waiting for AI to be better at writing to start making content like this.

I disagree with Leo that the algorithm only promotes slop, I think the problem is is just much harder to make something that's good + addictive + high consciousness, but I believe it's 100% possible.

@integral I definitely see the value in AI, but the one thing I feel it will never be able to do, is to have actual original divine insight. It can become infinitely intelligent within a closed system, but it can never receive downloads the way we do. Therefore the true spiritual teachers will still do well in the future. (spirituality is too subtle for AI)

Edited Thursday at 01:36 PM by Wilhelm44

[Letho]

43 minutes ago, integral said:

@Letho

1) I thought about this for a while but don't see a good solution. One solution I thought of is to create a mind map structure that enforces a epistemological standard and people on the form will come together to build that mind map while following epistemological rules.

Let's imagine instead of creating a new topic you create a new mind map, and then everyone contributes to that mind map instead of having a conversation. 

Basically this reinvents the conversation so instead of building a linear list of responses we build a 2d mind map that enforces a specific truth-seeking framework. And AI can be used to enforce the truth seeking framework.

I see it as we need some kind of structure to allow us to communicate with the highest Truth frameworks in a slightly more rigorous way while keeping things open for the discussion to go into any direction in a casual way.

 

2) Another possibility is just starting a new social media platform for Consciousness work, with some kind of AI integration where the algorithm limits slop and prompts the most conscious material on any Niche or subject.

3) have an AI moderator that exists in the comment box and enforces some kind of epistemological standard.

4) AI Voice Assistant that are trained on all of Leo's work, or high Consciousness material, and the AI voice is designed to be fun have a good vibe while moving the direction always in the most conscious Direction possible.

 

The tricky part is keeping it fun while allowing things to flow in the epistemologically correct direction removing human bias.

@integral You’re thinking in the right direction. The interface itself shapes intelligence, it’s an external funnel that modulates thought. Mindmapping is a strong first iteration, and I think you’re onto something bigger than even you might realize.

The real play is structuring cognition at scale. The right system doesn’t just collect ideas, it refines them, forcing better questions, sharper answers and higher-order synthesis. AI enforcing epistemic rigor is a natural next step.

If that’s where you’re aiming, I like where this is going. I’ll start thinking on it myself

[Hojo]

Should be illegal. Yes it takes alot of energy but all the information is stolen. Its like they are copying 1000s of book in a thieving way then selling the language model it produces. Its not their information to sell, not their model to sell they just farmed it. They need to give it away keeping will make others have to farm it and completely use all the earths energy for a chat bot.

Edited Thursday at 03:47 PM by Hojo