The wise choice of quitting spirituality all together.

[Majed]

After many reflections, and trial and error, i've realized that quitting spirituality all together might be the wiser choice. Because of the extreme self discipline it requires (meditation for hours, likewise for contemplation, fasting, solo retreats, the dangers of psychedelic use on one's health...) this path end up making us more miserable in the end than anything else. At the end of the day most humans just want to live a fulfilling, comfortable life, not suffer the shit out themselves to reach spiritual goals. 

[Ishanga]

3 minutes ago, Majed said:

After many reflections, and trial and error, i've realized that quitting spirituality all together might be the wiser choice. Because of the extreme self discipline it requires (meditation for hours, likewise for contemplation, fasting, solo retreats, the dangers of psychedelic use on one's health...) this path end up making us more miserable in the end than anything else. At the end of the day most humans just want to live a fulfilling, comfortable life, not suffer the shit out themselves to reach spiritual goals. 

Your not defining Spirituality correctly... As You say most humans just want to be living fulfilling, comfortable lives, this is Spirituality! 

Spirituality means living to a higher Possibility/Potential than You are right now.. People want what they are lacking in, if You lack in Money, You want Money, if You lack in Love you want Love, if You lack in Intelligence You want to be Smart and so on, that is Desire, Desire is being more than what You are right now, Desire is in all Living Things, all Living Things want to be at their peak, the plant, the insect, the animal, and especially the Human Being,

Meditation is not Spirituality, Mantra is not Spirituality, Prayer is not Spirituality, Temples are not Spirituality, these things are just tools, like Your Car, Your Phone, Your Money, your Eyes, Ears, Nose, Mouth, just use them and discard them when not needed..  The Problem here is identifying with the Tool and not what the Reality is, Spirituality is just Being More than what You Are Right NOW, and when You get to be more then guess what You will still want to be More.. When You get to be Peaceful of Your Own nature, You want to be Happy Now, and when Happy naturallly everyday, You then want to be Loving, then on to Joy, then onto Bliss, the onto Ecstasy!!

So don't misdefine Spirituality to be tools, it is none of those...

[Aaron p]

Yup it's actually quite a dangerous path. You could literally go insane, and not in the good way. And how do you even distinguish between the two. 

You could activate unknown dormant schizophrenia...get an illness. Fucking loads of shit. The option to stop is not only a possibility, it's the only rational choice for many. Even here.

[Hojo]

You cant stop it its life. You are choosing to do it unconsciously. Sadhguru says that fine you just have to be a narcissist.

Edited March 2 by Hojo

[Yimpa]

PureSpirituality: Absolute Acceptance

PS: Also Alien 

[Misato Katsuragi]

@Majed i wanted to comment and commend you on your decision if you go through with it like I don't think its for everyone. and honestly it can have disastrous consequences, and fuck you up mentally the last 2 posts I made where just on how I was suffering some pretty bad side effects from it. Do ultimately whatever makes you happy.

[Ulax]

On 02/03/2025 at 2:53 PM, Ishanga said:

Your not defining Spirituality correctly... As You say most humans just want to be living fulfilling, comfortable lives, this is Spirituality! 

Spirituality means living to a higher Possibility/Potential than You are right now..

I’d disagree with that. I’d say spirituality is about transcending ego

[Moon]

My greatest spiritual growth and insights has come from periods of allowing and going with the flow, not forcing things.

You don’t need to do hours of meditation or practice techniques simply because others are doing them. You practice whichever techniques resonate with you currently and you enjoy doing. Getting in touch with your intuition and higher guidance is key here.

Any daily spiritual techniques I practice I do out of joy not discipline and I don’t stress if I miss some days. I then switch to other practices when I feel the previous have served their purpose. 😄

 

Edited Saturday at 08:10 PM by Moon

[Twentyfirst]

Why not just take a break for a few years and then come back to it?

[Salvijus]

The pursuit of wisdom and love is your inherent desire. There is no way to remove it. You can only temporarily distract yourself from it with carnal desires. But there's no escaping what your heart truly wants. And it wants only God. 

Edited Saturday at 10:45 PM by Salvijus

[Salvijus]

None can stand still; all the living are on the move forever. You can be on ascension or declension. The choice is yours. 

Edited Saturday at 11:17 PM by Salvijus

[eos_nyxia]

Well, if you simply jumped from one treadmill to another, spiritual or not, ultimately your intentions beget the structure and patterns your thoughts and emotions take.

How could you not be miserable?

Your approach is a certain flavour of tail-chasing.

[TruthFreedom]

Have you considered travel?

Pick a place on the planet, and make a trip there. It can be wonderful to change your scenery once in a while.

Edited 20 hours ago by TruthFreedom

[Breakingthewall]

On 8/3/2025 at 6:20 PM, Ulax said:

I’d disagree with that. I’d say spirituality is about transcending ego

Exactly, and not transcending the ego is disastrous, so spirituality is the only sensible option. Without openness to the absolute, life is misery.

[Nivsch]

I think this is a misunderstanding of what spirituality actually is. If you deal with your challenges and problems directly and develop by them then this is the true spirituality. You can only want to quit something you subconsciously feel as a bypass.

[BipolarGrowth]

Spiritual progress comes by encountering suffering intentionally and consistently on your own terms until you’ve devoured the suffering in so many places that you start to run out of places to find suffering. 
 

Trying to avoid suffering is the path to holding onto suffering and amplifying it. 

[Leo Gura]

It is true that spirituality increases suffering in the short and medium term because it requires confronting difficult existential and psychological matters. The ego will not go quietly.

But everything valuable in life has a price.

Do you really expect immorality and God to be for free? Without a price?

Clearly there must be a high price otherwise everyone would have God. God is not chosen because no one wants to endure the price.

Sometimes the price of spiritualiry gets so high you wonder whether you'd be more net happier if you never even started.

Spirituality is a very long investment. And most people are poor investors, unable to stay in long.

It's also not right for everyone, and might only become suitable for you later in life.

Edited 14 hours ago by Leo Gura

[Raze]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnWUutXzRkA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yExoNZLCjDE

 

[OBEler]

21 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

It is true that spirituality increases suffering in the short and medium term because it requires confronting difficult existential and psychological matters. The ego will not go quietly.

But everything valuable in life has a price.

Do you really expect immorality and God to be for free? Without a price?

Clearly there must be a high price otherwise everyone would have God. God is not chosen because no one wants to endure the price.

Sometimes the price of spiritualiry gets so high you wonder whether you'd be more net happier if you never even started.

I had such phases where I regretted deeply to even start with spirituality because my life was too different and I was in a kind of altered state of consciousness for month until I found balance. I got way more stronger out of this spiritual crisis.

Do you think god realization is for most people way better than the price they pay for it? I remember your interview with Martin ball where you both thought many should experience a 5 Meo breakthrough and becoming god.

Edited 14 hours ago by OBEler

[Leo Gura]

48 minutes ago, OBEler said:

Do you think god realization is for most people way better than the price they pay for it?

It is not. Most people are nowhere capable of paying the price.

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I remember your interview with Martin ball where you both thought many should experience a 5 Meo breakthrough and becoming god.

Doing some 5-MeO is nice, but it is nowhere near the fullness of this work.

Any fool can go to a 5-MeO retreat. What I'm talking about is a 10-20 year journey in consciousness work. Involving many awakenings but also a lot of contemplative work and embodiment work. That's where the real price is paid.

There is almost no price for a single 5-MeO trip so anyone can do it.

Deconstructing reality and the ego, and making full sense of God, is so much more than a few trips.

Edited 13 hours ago by Leo Gura