The wise choice of quitting spirituality all together.

[Someone here]

@Leo Gura  i don't resonate  with this understanding  of yours anymore. I resonate more with Robert Adams and the famous banned moderator

.As long as your mind is seeking in this way.. it won't lead you anywhere..because you're chasing something that you think doesn't already exist at this moment. And this fundamentally means you will never be awake. So long as you think this moment is not enough.. You will keep seeking the next one and the next one.. And you will never be awake . When you Allow everything to just be as it is...Only then awakening can happen no ? Think about it logically without brushing it off as "neo advaita nonsense ".

All states are temporary. They come and go. If awakening was a state.. It would be temporary..And it would not be worth "getting" since you can't "get it" anyway. 

Why can't you just awaken right now ?
What's stopping you ?

Edited 18 hours ago by Someone here

[OBEler]

@Leo Gura yeah I wish the price could be told more concrete to people who are in the middle of their journey. Like telling students if it's worth doing the whole  master degree of college and what's the price for it or just doing a bachelor degree is enough or ending studying completely and focus on something else, finish later.

I am afraid of points of no return ( mayor shifts in consciousness, seeing through things/illusions like solipsim which stay probably forever, energetic stress related damage like tinnitus). That's a high price for me.

 

Edited 18 hours ago by OBEler

[Davino]

Just now, OBEler said:

I am afraid of points of no return

Solipsism is a huge point of no return. Once you get that far it's like a checkpoint in consciousness.

[Someone here]

Solipsism is bs.

[OBEler]

@Davino my ego mind see this as the highest price ever. Really I would probably go insane or just want to lie in bed and sleep and wish to forget. However my girlfriend doesn't care about. She is fully conscious that she creates everything with her mind including me and I don't exist etc. she said it's just normal.

For you how high was this price?

[Davino]

2 minutes ago, Someone here said:

Solipsism is bs.

You've changed so many times your mind that it's irrelevant what you say about the topic by now. You never reached the checkpoint, which precisely proofs my point.

[Davino]

4 minutes ago, OBEler said:

For you how high was this price?

I could be dead by now.

[OBEler]

@Davino can you elaborate? How it played out for you, the checkpoint of no return.

I know it will be different for everyone. 

[Davino]

5 minutes ago, OBEler said:

Really I would probably go insane or just want to lie in bed and sleep and wish to forget.

It's part of the dissolution process. 

Eventually you have no choice but to surrender to the truth.

6 minutes ago, OBEler said:

She is fully conscious that she creates everything with her mind including me and I don't exist etc. she said it's just normal.

I wouldn't say fully as there are many layers to it.

But there's some people that get awakenings with the facet of "feeling home" or "natural" or "always already the case" with it. That makes the whole process easier. This wasn't the case for me.

The Awakening into Solipsism in combination with an Awakening into Love is beyond what words can describe. Yet Solipsism and Truth combined with no love can be a hell of Awakening, like getting ass fucked without lube.

Love and homeness is the Lube for all Awakenings.

[Davino]

Just now, OBEler said:

can you elaborate? How it played out for you, the checkpoint of no return.

There have been many checkpoints. You mean the Solipsism one in particular?

For me it has always been a one-way street

[OBEler]

@Davino yes particularly the solipsim. The biggest checkpoint I think.

[Someone here]

@Davino solipsism is bs.

[Nemra]

@Someone here, why don't you save money and travel to do psychedelics?

[Davino]

I become conscious that I could never ever scape my senses and or experience. That everything is mediated by my consciousness and that all concepts of other or me coarise in my consciousness as up and down do.

I became severly melancholic, like if my only beloved friend (Truth) had betrayed me into a dark hole with all paths arriving at the same destination for it was all as truthful as it gets.

I couldn't function in the world for several days. I distanced myself from all "other" humans, like cartoons in a movie. What could they say to convince me? To bring me back into "sanity"? For them are but puppets of existence, the One playing in all that is Myself. For why have you Oh Lord punished me so severly to stick my head out of myself but not to cut it?

I couldn't work, barely ate. I cried. I watched through my window, saw the kids playing outside, their joyful laughs couldn't fill the void of human connection efaced by truth. For I know that behind your avatar there's nothing but me, for you should know that behind my avatar there's nothing but you. So then, why Oh my God, should you kill the game but keep me playing?

My girlfriend, quite worried about my more than unusual behaviour, kept me in place so that I would still eat and keep my sanity till the "process" ended.

When I crossed the valley to the other side, oh just one side there is my beloved. For what a great blessing it is that the other I fear is nothing but myself, that actors are just players and that there's only one person, one animal, one plant, one self, one spirit and I am. For I manifest in the world and play in it, so the stage of life happens. For the connection with the "outside" was always before with a condom and now inside and outside, barriers and limits are but intrinsically what I am. So shall I play oh Lord this game? So that I make my part and the whole but One in perfect dance?

[Someone here]

@Nemra why should I do that ? You trip every night when you go to bed . 

[Nemra]

Just now, Someone here said:

@Nemra why should I do that ? You trip every night when you go to bed . 

You are so wrong about it.

[Someone here]

8 minutes ago, Davino said:

I become conscious that I could never ever scape my senses and or experience. That everything is mediated by my consciousness and that all concepts of other or me coarise in my consciousness as up and down do.

I became severly melancholic, like if my only beloved friend (Truth) had betrayed me into a dark hole with all paths arriving at the same destination for it was all as truthful as it gets.

I couldn't function in the world for several days. I distanced myself from all "other" humans, like cartoons in a movie. What could they say to convince me? To bring me back into "sanity"? For them are but puppets of existence, the One playing in all that is Myself. For why have you Oh Lord punished me so severly to stick my head out of myself but not to cut it?

I couldn't work, barely ate. I cried. I watched through my window, saw the kids playing outside, their joyful laughs couldn't fill the void of human connection efaced by truth. For I know that behind your avatar there's nothing but me, for you should know that behind my avatar there's nothing but you. So then, why Oh my God, should you kill the game but keep me playing?

My girlfriend, quite worried about my more than unusual behaviour, kept me in place so that I would still eat and keep my sanity till the "process" ended.

When I crossed the valley to the other side, oh just one side there is my beloved. For what a great blessing it is that the other I fear is nothing but myself, that actors are just players and that there's only one person, one animal, one plant, one self, one spirit and I am. For I manifest in the world and play in it, so the stage of life happens. For the connection with the "outside" was always before with a condom and now inside and outside, barriers and limits are but intrinsically what I am. So shall I play oh Lord this game? So that I make my part and the whole but One in perfect dance?

That's cause solipsism is bs.

[Davino]

5 minutes ago, Someone here said:

That's cause solipsism is bs.

You're playing with the limit.

[Someone here]

You know ..they've done experiments on tribal people who live in the jungle to test out if god is an obvious axiom for all human beings to believe in. But the results were that those primitive people who never heard of God before did not have a clue about god or religion. 

The same thing is happening with solipsism.  Yall are parroting Leo around solipsism. Even using his terminology "I became conscious ".  Just pretend that you've never heard of solipsism in your whole life . Try it as a scientific experiment and see what happens .

Edited 17 hours ago by Someone here

[Leo Gura]

1 hour ago, Someone here said:

@Leo Gura  i don't resonate  with this understanding  of yours anymore. I resonate more with Robert Adams and the famous banned moderator

.As long as your mind is seeking in this way.. it won't lead you anywhere..because you're chasing something that you think doesn't already exist at this moment. And this fundamentally means you will never be awake.

Why can't you just awaken right now ?
What's stopping you ?

If you think you will master this work -- the human system and mind -- through anything less than decades of serious and difficult work, you are kidding yourself.

Your enlightenments maybe be instantaneous or whatever, but that is just the tip of the iceberg that is this work.

The suffering in this work is real and serious. This is the most difficult work that a human being could do. Which is why virtually nobody goes all the way. If you expect it to be quick, simple, or easy, I promise you will fail.

To succeed in war, you must respect your enemy. And the enemy is you.

Edited 17 hours ago by Leo Gura