Leo, what is Addiction?

[Santiago Ram]

12 hours ago, AION said:

Addiction is caused on the level of the mind so it can't be solved at the level of the mind with Sadona or CBT or whatever. It is impossible and insanity. The only way that works to fix addiction is through the heart aka mysteries of the cross; through psychological birth, death and rebirth. Suffering is a big part of it because only suffering (fire) can cleanse the heart and make it pure and illuminated ❤️‍🔥which will fix your addiction.

Thats beautiful.

I think everything helps, having a Spiritual Awakening is the only sure way though.

Inquiring into Hurt and Suffering can take You far.

[Santiago Ram]

14 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

You can't control what addicts do. That is their responsibility and they will relapse many times before they wise up.

That's true. I will help as much as I can, but in the end I gotta let go and let them touch bottom.

[Santiago Ram]

16 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

You can't control what addicts do. That is their responsibility and they will relapse many times before they wise up.

@Leo Gura Today I found out a Staff member (addict also) I worked with for a year in the clinic relapsed and died.

What if they can't afford a relapse? What if they die?

This work is getting very serious.

Edited March 16 by Santiago Ram

[Santiago Ram]

Anyone have absolutely any clue as to why I made it so far and this guy did not despite being in the same clinic? I shared my knowledge with him.

Anyone, we need more feedback on addiction.

It is a pervasive and serious matter for all of us, some of us with more subtle addictions.

Bro, a fucking year with him, I could have dead-ass prevented this. A year of sharing spiritual knowledge.

Edited March 16 by Santiago Ram

[Breakingthewall]

The difference between addiction and passion is that one is negative, and the other is positive. Addiction absorbs; passion gives. 

[Santiago Ram]

@BreakingthewallThat's true, passion is giving and addiction is taking.

But, bro, we both were Staff and Gave all we could.

I think this work is gonna be like this, many people will die and relapse and do fucked up shit despite my best efforts.

Even then, I want to have a good percentage rate of recovery.

Edited March 16 by Santiago Ram

[Leo Gura]

26 minutes ago, Santiago Ram said:

@Leo Gura Today I found out a Staff member (addict also) I worked with for a year in the clinic relapsed and died.

What if they can't afford a relapse? What if they die?

This work is getting very serious.

Sorry to hear that.

Unfortunately some addicts will just destroy themselves. You can't save everyone. Keep in mind that most serious addicts have much deeper issues than merely a chemical addiction. The chemical addiction is just a coping mechanism for their miserable existence.

[Terell Kirby]

9 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

The chemical addiction is just a coping mechanism for their miserable existence.

Addiction is a complex field. Some of the happiest and most prosperous individuals with no baggage or trauma from childhood can turn into addicts.

In these instances, the chemical dependence alone IS the thing that makes life miserable, requiring more usage to numb oneself. It’s a bit more tricky and nuanced.

Abstinence is generally preferred for people seeking recovery across the board, although moderation can suit people who’s addiction is related to psychological/emotional components and trauma-as these things can be worked out via therapy, trauma work

Genetics also play a big factor, many addicts did not choose to be addicts in a sense.

Edited March 16 by Terell Kirby

[Raze]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_dawQLA-mA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UwxvUofenC4

 

[Breakingthewall]

22 minutes ago, Santiago Ram said:

@BreakingthewallThat's true, passion is giving and addiction is taking.

But, bro, we both were Staff and Gave all we could.

I think this work is gonna be like this, many people will die and relapse and do fucked up shit despite my best efforts.

Even then, I want to have a good percentage rate of recovery.

It's extremely difficult to stop being an addict. It's not about quitting a substance or a behavior; it's about radical change. Very few people achieve that process. You have to be quite intelligent and understand the dynamics of your psyche, get into the source code, and completely reverse it. You have to have a stroke of genius to do that, and no one is going to do it for you.

[Aaron p]

Delete everyone you know who uses any non-psychedelic drugs. Especially the soft ones, double especially weed. 

Until you delete all of your drug using friends (and I mean all of them) and stop going near them...enjoy addiction. I say this with as much love as possible bro

[Santiago Ram]

9 minutes ago, Aaron p said:

Delete everyone you know who uses any non-psychedelic drugs. Especially the soft ones, double especially weed. 

Until you delete all of your drug using friends (and I mean all of them) and stop going near them...enjoy addiction. I say this with as much love as possible bro

Yes, but you gotta understand my work  is helping addicts recover.

There is no use in hanging out with someone who is currently abusing, for sure. Only in interventions where you take them to a clinic or hospital.

As an addict in Recovery it is My Life Purpose to help those seeking help. It is also fun when things go well but it is emotionally tough.

[Aaron p]

23 minutes ago, Santiago Ram said:

Yes, but you gotta understand my work  is helping addicts recover.

There is no use in hanging out with someone who is currently abusing, for sure. Only in interventions where you take them to a clinic or hospital.

As an addict in Recovery it is My Life Purpose to help those seeking help. It is also fun when things go well but it is emotionally tough.

I don't get the sense that you're in a dire situation right now. Which probably means you've just stabilized at a functional level of addiction... I'm not sure if I'm recalling accurately here but I think I remember you saying that it was a serious compound. It's up to you bro but if you notice yourself going years and years without being able to shake the chemical and really nothing else is working and it's still having a really damaging effect on your life and if I were you in that situation ,man, I would be taking all forms of drastic measures to put many brick walls between me and that substance which could very well look like you having to give up that work of helping addicts maybe even just for three or five years until you're completely stable and strong and then coming back. 

Every situation is different and I don't know much about yours ultimately you'll have to Intuit how to deal with it yourself and it depends on how severely your current addiction is impacting your Life and for how long it's been going on and whether it's been getting better getting worse or staying the same and for how long it's been like that. Certain situations like if it's just being a recurring replicated exactly the same situation for multiple years than logically you just have to deduce that you need to take bigger action. Maybe bigger steps away from all of that environment totally. But yeah like I say it depends on the specific logistics of your situation. Even the fact that you're on this website making posts and actively engaging speaks to what kind of person you are is what I would say as well as an encouragement. 

You seem cool

Edited March 17 by Aaron p

[Santiago Ram]

33 minutes ago, Aaron p said:

I don't get the sense that you're in a dire situation right now. Which probably means you've just stabilized at a functional level of addiction... I'm not sure if I'm recalling accurately here but I think I remember you saying that it was a serious compound. It's up to you bro but if you notice yourself going years and years without being able to shake the chemical and really nothing else is working and it's still having a really damaging effect on your life and if I were you in that situation ,man, I would be taking all forms of drastic measures to put many brick walls between me and that substance which could very well look like you having to give up that work of helping addicts maybe even just for three or five years until you're completely stable and strong and then coming back. 

Every situation is different and I don't know much about yours ultimately you'll have to Intuit how to deal with it yourself and it depends on how severely your current addiction is impacting your Life and for how long it's been going on and whether it's been getting better getting worse or staying the same and for how long it's been like that. Certain situations like if it's just being a recurring replicated exactly the same situation for multiple years than logically you just have to deduce that you need to take bigger action. Maybe bigger steps away from all of that environment totally. But yeah like I say it depends on the specific logistics of your situation. Even the fact that you're on this website making posts and actively engaging speaks to what kind of person you are is what I would say as well as an encouragement. 

You seem cool

Thanks and yes it was hard drugs

I am 2 years in Sobriety 

[Santiago Ram]

@Aaron p I feel very well, If I didn't, I wouldn't be helping at all.

But Im also young and this field is difficult, so all your advice from the Actualized perspective helps.

Edited March 17 by Santiago Ram

[Santiago Ram]

Do You guys of any Consciouss addiction Coach?

Most I know are utterly full of shit.

Maybe I should go looking for those that run 5 meo assisted recovery clinics

It is a very sad reality that 80% of addicts in México relapse before one year since they leave a clinic. I heard that statistic in a clinic. Others report a higher rate.

What these clínics need is someone enlightened in the clinic to guide them. That is rare and valuable, not some AA mumbo joombo.

Or psychedelics

Edited March 17 by Santiago Ram

[shree]

@Santiago Ram

I personally don’t know anyone who does that, but Gabor Maté has some courses you might want to check out if you work with addicts.

 

Reclaiming authenticity.

Healing tauma and addiction.

Compassionate self-inqury.

 

https://drgabormate.com/courses/

[Santiago Ram]

@shree Thank you.