WATCH: Trump argues with Zelenskyy in Oval Office

[The Crocodile]

8 hours ago, Joshe said:

 

what a fucking worm

[Joel3102]

@Leo Gura Trump episode? If Tate got one surely Trump is worthy 

[zazen]

2 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

The Taliban is cackling at you.

Taliban weren't fighting a war of attrition, but of endurance against a foreign occupier they simply had to outlast, not outgun as in this case. Insurgency / guerrilla warfare outlasts the enemy by having difficult enough terrain to conquer and hold - making it costly (economically and politically) for the stronger power. Attrition warfare outguns the enemy on less difficult, usually flat terrain characteristic of mechanized warfare - the kind in Ukraine.

US was attempting to occupy resistant natives far from home, Russia would be attempting to occupy resistant natives they geographically neighbor, can't escape, and can easily supply the conquering of. Russia isn't going anywhere, whilst the US wasn't even on the same continent. Ukraine can't outlast Russia the same way Taliban outlasted the US - but it would still be difficult and costly for Russia for little gain.

Russia currently holds sympathetic Russian speaking regions that don't pose the same difficulty as resistant Ukrainians if they were to move into Ukraine against - which is why I don't think Russia will, and why the boogeyman notion of Russia conquering Europe is fantasy. Ukraine turning from a war of attrition into a blend of attrition / guerrilla warfare with Russia trying to subdue native Ukrainians in their millions would be absurd for Putin to attempt.

If Russia already has the Russian speaking regions and a secure buffer to protect the Russian heartland from, why take on an costly and highly unwinnable occupation?  It would void the primary reason for this war being the prevention of NATO troops at its borders, that pose a threat to the core of Russia. If Russia’s main goal is to prevent NATO expansion, why would it push itself even closer to NATO by expanding further? That would contradict its own strategic logic. It would also make Russia's position less viable as it moves from a defensive territorial war to a dominating one classified as imperialistic and expansionist - which is categorically wrong no matter who does it.

2 hours ago, integral said:

If Russia conquers Ukraine, will he then choose a conqueror another country?

or is this a one time thing?

Don't think so. Answered above.

Edited Saturday at 02:18 PM by zazen

[Raze]

4 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

West has endless cards. The West can support Ukraine indefinitely.

It is like saying against Hitler, we have no cards left, before even entering the war.

Even $100B per year is only 1/8th of the US military annual budget. And that's not even counting EU.

Ukraine is a tiny expense for the US in the big picture.

It’s not just about money, we have a capacity limit of advanced weapon systems 

[Applegarden8]

19 hours ago, Yimpa said:

Trump: “you’re gambling with the lives of millions of people” 🤦

I love how Trump projects all responsibility on Zelensky like Trump is living on another planet where world events do not affect him, while Putin, probably single-handedly, desiced to kill his and Ukrainian citizens and can stop it at any point. 

[Joshe]

6 hours ago, zazen said:

As for Trump being uniquely bad for world peace, compared to what? 

Have you ever known a narcissist? They go scorched earth when their reputation takes a hit like this. Narcs self-destruct by overstepping in their power, dominance, and manipulation games, which leads to burnt bridges and a growing list of enemies. Trump just burnt a fuck ton of bridges. Do you know what is typical of narcs when this happens? They get angry with intense hate at all the people who dislike them, then start scheming on how they’ll exact revenge on them. 

THAT’s why Trump is uniquely bad for peace in this moment and why we might ally with Russia… because when a narc burns all the bridges that matter, what do they do??? They form alliances with anyone that will tell them they are the right. Who do you think is now willing to praise and pat the narc on the head while everyone else condemns him? 

All the idiots who voted for Trump under the whole “chaos agent / let’s shake the system up, we will arise stronger” perspective, … yeah, this is exactly the type of situation people with half a brain intuited could transpire at any moment, and now it has. 

Edited Saturday at 04:32 PM by Joshe

[Joshe]

Security News This Week: The Trump Administration Is Deprioritizing Russia as a Cyber Threat

https://www.wired.com/story/trump-administration-deprioritizing-russia-cyber-threat/

[Basman]

2 hours ago, Joel3102 said:

@Leo Gura Trump episode? If Tate got one surely Trump is worthy 

He talks a lot about Trump intermittently in his political/developmental series if I remember correctly.

[Hafiz]

Did lex delete his tweet??

[Husseinisdoingfine]

Am I autistic or do I have alexithymia? Because I did not pick up any disrespect coming from Zelensky.

[PurpleTree]

1 minute ago, Husseinisdoingfine said:

Am I autistic or do I have alexithymia? Because I did not pick up any disrespect coming from Zelensky.

Maga and Russian stooges are deliberately misunderstanding what Zelensky was saying .

[Yimpa]

7 hours ago, PurpleTree said:

 

Fox News spells Zelenskyy’s name on point! (unlike CNN)

Edited Saturday at 06:31 PM by Yimpa

[PurpleTree]

 

[PurpleTree]

This is how you treat my boi Zelensky not like these sick US admin schmocks.

 

[Yimpa]

Zelenski being mocked for not wearing a suit to the White House is a prime example of groupthink and conformity:

 

[ArcticGong]

10 minutes ago, Yimpa said:

Zelenski being mocked for not wearing a suit to the White House is a prime example of groupthink and conformity:

 

Love to all leaders that wear their traditional attire like the gulf nation, India and other. 

[Yimpa]

 

[Applegarden8]

3 hours ago, Husseinisdoingfine said:

Am I autistic or do I have alexithymia? Because I did not pick up any disrespect coming from Zelensky.

Remember that insult is taken not given. Offering responsibility hurts people who don't want to take it. If you have to ability to solve something, then there is the burden of solving it; perfect time to look away and not even entertain this narrative.

[Applegarden8]

3 hours ago, Hafiz said:

Did lex delete his tweet??

I think he did yes. I just saw the greatest example of populism and virtue signal in that tweet.

Edited Saturday at 09:03 PM by Applegarden8

[zazen]

6 hours ago, Joshe said:

THAT’s why Trump is uniquely bad for peace in this moment and why we might ally with Russia… because when a narc burns all the bridges that matter, what do they do??? 

I don’t think Trumps uniquely bad for world peace, he’s typically bad just as every other president has been, and in his own way.

Thing is, if Putin is the super villain threat he’s painted as, then how does making peace with such a man make the world more unsafe? What’s the other option..no negotiation or communication, continuous fighting and war rhetoric against Russia? How does that end? I’ve written above regarding the industrial capacity of the West vs Russia. Please tell me how Russia will be defeated if we lack the same capacity, and how will we match it.

Another point is that we are told Russia is on the verge of defeat and weakened, that we just need to send some more support to Ukraine…yet simultaneously, we are told Russia is a threat to not just Ukraine but Europe. How can both those positions be true? We’re made to believe he’s going to get Ukraine and make his way to Paris for a crepe and then hop to London for a cold beer.

Zelensky tried pulling this same rhetorical trick at the White House when he said “But you have nice ocean and don't feel now, but you will feel it in the future," meaning a Russian threat, across the Ocean.. lol. That’s the same way Bibi scaremongers the children of the light of the Western world, when he says Hamas will come for them next.

Zelensky really blundered there. You don’t talk that way to a superpower not just you, but your continent depends on. He kept interrupting, snarkily saying he hasn’t come to play cards (when Trump said he doesn’t hold the cards - which is true) and being rude. As much as we dislike Trump, you simply cannot act that way, it’s not smart politics.

Edited Saturday at 09:11 PM by zazen