WATCH: Trump argues with Zelenskyy in Oval Office

[Breakingthewall]

58 minutes ago, zazen said:

As a example - if Russians in Kazakhstan were being violently attacked or systematically discriminated against in a way that threatened their security, of course Russia would intervene,

The point is that Kazakhstan never would do that, unless NATO encourages it, more specifically the US. This is all a biden and viky nuland project, it is extremely easy to access the records. the coup d'état, the euro maidan, everything was promoted by them. Before saying that it is false information, please read this 2014 report from the BBC. It's not long, it's the famous conversation where Nuland said: fuck the EU. You could see in that conversation how Victoria Nuland is planning who's going to be on the power in Ukraine. They are talking about vitali kitchko, former champion of the heavy weight in boxing, very nationalist and and important character in Ukraine, and about others who are more convenient to their interests. 

After the euro maidan the nationalist allies with US and anti-Russian came to power and the Dombass war began. 

Of course Russia tries to interfere in the Ukrainian politics, but because Ukraine is in the area, extremely strategic place for them, historically tied with them. Why it's important for the Americans? It's not in their spheres. It's only important because the resources, and to weaken Russia and Europe 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26079957

Edited 9 hours ago by Breakingthewall

[Yimpa]

I’ve been re-visiting this thread so many times that I misread the title just now as “WATCH: Trump agrees with Zelenskyy in Oval Office”. It’s driving me crazy!

[zazen]

@Breakingthewall  Yeah, check this out - like a Time Machine.

“Having masterminded the coup in February against the democratically elected government in Kiev, Washington's planned seizure of Russia's historic, legitimate warm-water naval base in Crimea failed. The Russians defended themselves, as they have done against every threat and invasion from the west for almost a century.

“But Nato's military encirclement has accelerated, along with US-orchestrated attacks on ethnic Russians in Ukraine. If Putin can be provoked into coming to their aid, his pre-ordained "pariah" role will justify a Nato-run guerrilla war that is likely to spill into Russia itself.”

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/may/13/ukraine-us-war-russia-john-pilger

 

A good parallel scenario from Chat GPT:

“Imagine India is rising on the world stage, but the U.S. or China starts arming Pakistan to the teeth, turning it into a military outpost right on India’s border. At the same time, Pakistan starts persecuting Punjabis, banning their language, cracking down on their identity—people with deep historical ties to India. Does India just sit back and say, “Oh well, that’s Pakistan’s business”? Hell no. India sees the writing on the wall. This isn’t just a border dispute—it’s a geopolitical squeeze, an attempt to box India in and weaken it. So India pushes back, whether through diplomacy or force, because no serious power allows a global rival to build a military foothold in a historically connected neighbor without responding.

That’s exactly how Russia saw Ukraine. NATO wasn’t just expanding—it was turning Ukraine into a U.S.-backed battering ram against Russia. Ukraine wasn’t just independent—it was actively cracking down on its Russian-speaking population. And Russia wasn’t just paranoid—it was reacting the way any major power would if a hostile alliance tried to install a military outpost on its doorstep. The only difference? When the U.S. or its allies do the same thing, it’s called “defending democracy.” When Russia does it, it’s called “imperialism.” Funny how that works.”

India and Pakistan both share historical and ethnic ties with Punjabis - who were divided along the border. Works well as a example.

The irony is that people call Russias move as some imperial expansionist play when it’s literally a response to Western imperialism itself! 

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[Breakingthewall]

@zazen  

Imagine if India also supplies natural gas to China, and Trump's son, who is a drug addict, is a director of Pakistan's main gas company, and just when the war starts Trump destroys Indian Stream 2. and no one says anything. are they crazy?

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Trump pauses military aid to Ukraine after Oval Office argument with Zelensky, White House official says

https://edition.cnn.com/2025/03/03/politics/trump-administration-ukraine-aid/index.html

The clown show from Zelensky backfired so bad. Just imagine if he didn't put up that clown show and just played along.

[Nemra]

1 hour ago, Breakingthewall said:

are they crazy?

It's crazy to put your trust in Trump more than other candidates and think that he may also be catastrophic, but at least he's a natural phenomenon, whatever that means.

[Breakingthewall]

10 minutes ago, Nemra said:

It's crazy to put your trust in Trump more than other candidates and think that he may also be catastrophic, but at least he's a natural phenomenon, whatever that means.

Who put trust in trump? I just said that I can't judge trump until I see the consequences of his actions. 

[Nemra]

1 minute ago, Breakingthewall said:

I just said that I can't judge trump until I see the consequences of his actions. 

Have you not been looking into him?

[zazen]

@Nemra Even the silliest most corrupt people may once in a while do something good, even if it isn’t for pure intentions. If we frame everything someone does as bad regardless of the action that’s just being ideological and dogmatic. 

[Breakingthewall]

19 minutes ago, Nemra said:

Have you not been looking into him?

Trump has not done anything important so far. Important thing is to provoke a war with a million dead, sink Germany's economy and promote the rise of the extreme right and polarize the world, placing it on the brink of World War 3.

Trump for now has only done symbolic actions, bluffs, when I know the consequences of his actions I will be able to have an opinion on him. For now I haven't.

For example, what's going to be the trump's attitude about Taiwan? That's important 

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[Nemra]

13 minutes ago, zazen said:

Even the silliest most corrupt people may once in a while do something good, even if it isn’t for pure intentions.

That's funny.

Maybe you would like to have the most silly, corrupt person in power, I don't know.

13 minutes ago, zazen said:

If we frame everything someone does as bad regardless of the action that’s just being ideological and dogmatic. 

So you also like to ignore Trump's actions.

Edited 7 hours ago by Nemra

[zazen]

@Nemra I'm saying in regards to Ukraine what he’s doing seems way better than escalation - not that he’s good domestically or should be in power.

@Breakingthewall Indian stream 2 lol that’s a good additional context. We could even use the current situation with Canada to hypothetically draw the parallel. Imagine now since Trump is imposing tariffs Canadians start getting nationalistic and prosecuting Americans and suppressing American culture in Canada.

Chat GPT: Imagine This Hypothetical Scenario

For decades, China and the U.S. were locked in a Cold War—a global, ideological, and military rivalry that nearly ended in nuclear annihilation multiple times. China ultimately won, the U.S. collapsed, and for a time, China reigned supreme. But now, years later, the U.S. is rebuilding itself, challenging China’s global dominance again, and China wants to keep it down permanently.

Now, right on the U.S. border, Canada starts shifting. It undergoes a political revolution, installs a fiercely anti-American government, and begins cracking down on pro-U.S. Canadians—banning the American flag, erasing American history from schools, shutting down pro-American media, and even militarily suppressing Canadian provinces that still feel tied to the U.S.

And who is backing this new Canada? China - their old rival who they nearly blew the world up over.

This same nation, China, pours billions into arming Canada, embeds its military forces, and begins installing missile systems along the U.S.-Canada border—pointed directly at Washington, New York, and Chicago. And this isn’t a conspiracy—China’s own think tanks openly discuss their strategy to weaken and encircle the U.S., stating that American resurgence must be stopped at all costs.

But here’s the real kicker: China has a long track record of invading countries, toppling governments, and breaking promises about its military intentions. It has: Launched wars under false pretenses , bombed nations into collapse, overthrown leaders who didn’t submit to its interests, crossed security red lines in the past, lying about its true motives.

And now this same proven war machine is offering “security guarantees” to Canada—just like NATO has done with Ukraine.

Would the U.S. just sit back and watch? Would it do nothing while:

1. A hostile, foreign-backed military buildup emerges on its doorstep?

2. Pro-U.S. populations in Canada are discriminated against, silenced or even attacked?

Of course not. The U.S. would take action—diplomatically first, militarily if necessary—because no serious power would allow this threat to materialize.''

 

We don't have to condone the most blatant act of aggression (invasion) but we can understand it. The same way people can condemn Hamas on October 7th, yet understand the context in which it happened and who the aggressor is that pushed a certain group (Palestinians/Hamas or Russians) into such a corner that they were left with no choice but to act out in such a way.

Edited 5 hours ago by zazen

[Breakingthewall]

14 minutes ago, zazen said:

@Nemra I'm saying in regards to Ukraine what he’s doing seems way better than escalation - not that he’s good domestically or should be in power.

@Breakingthewall Indian stream 2 lol that’s a good additional context. We could even use the current situation with Canada to hypothetically draw the parallel. Imagine now since Trump is imposing tariffs Canadians start getting nationalistic and prosecuting Americans and suppressing American culture in Canada.

Chat GPT: Imagine This Hypothetical Scenario

For decades, China and the U.S. were locked in a Cold War—a global, ideological, and military rivalry that nearly ended in nuclear annihilation multiple times. China ultimately won, the U.S. collapsed, and for a time, China reigned supreme. But now, years later, the U.S. is rebuilding itself, challenging China’s global dominance again, and China wants to keep it down permanently.

Now, right on the U.S. border, Canada starts shifting. It undergoes a political revolution, installs a fiercely anti-American government, and begins cracking down on pro-U.S. Canadians—banning the American flag, erasing American history from schools, shutting down pro-American media, and even militarily suppressing Canadian provinces that still feel tied to the U.S.

And who is backing this new Canada? China.

China pours billions into arming Canada, embeds its military forces, and begins installing missile systems along the U.S.-Canada border—pointed directly at Washington, New York, and Chicago. And this isn’t a conspiracy—China’s own think tanks openly discuss their strategy to weaken and encircle the U.S., stating that American resurgence must be stopped at all costs.

But here’s the real kicker: China has a long track record of invading countries, toppling governments, and breaking promises about its military intentions. It has:

• Launched wars under false pretenses

• Bombed nations into collapse

• Overthrown leaders who didn’t submit to its interests

• Crossed security red lines in the past, lying about its true motives

And now this same proven war machine is offering “security guarantees” to Canada—just like NATO has done with Ukraine.

Would the U.S. just sit back and accept this? Would it trust China’s claims that these weapons are “just for defense”? Would it allow a hostile, foreign-backed government to militarize its northern neighbor against it? Of course not. The U.S. would take action—diplomatically first, militarily if necessary—because no serious power would allow this threat to materialize.''

Furthermore, a Canadian battalion led by a football ultra with neo-Nazi insignia on their flags would bomb a state in dispute between Canada and the US for 8 years, killing thousands of people each year, while China builds 5 virus laboratories near the border, and at one point is preparing to place nuclear weapons aimed at New York. After 8 years, President Trump orders the invasion of that border state, and the entire world calls him Adolf Trumper and everyone idolizes the president of Canada who promoted this situation, who was a comic actor who in his show appeared with two Uzis machine-gunning the parliamentarians in parliament.

Edited 6 hours ago by Breakingthewall