WATCH: Trump argues with Zelenskyy in Oval Office

[puporing]

27 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

Warning noted.   And who precisely is the devil here?  isnt the devil - "relative"?

Thank you.

It's not immediately obvious to most people yes, that's why they can gain so much "power" despite being what they are.

There's usually a pattern, a pattern of spreading falsehood, gaslighting, but that requires you to be conscious enough to see that on a consistent basis. A pattern of twisting or diminishing facts. A pattern of intimidation and exaggeration that does not line up with their actual capabilities and how they live their life and treating others. Lack of empathy for the weak. Feel entitled to things like their wealth and power over people as opposed to being more of a servant... They could be highly intelligent and perhaps charming which is what commonly fools the masses.

The more severe ones are too far gone to stop themselves, other people have to stop them. They will continue to do what they do otherwise.. it's almost like a "bad program" running in this universe trying to self-destruct and take others along with them.

24 minutes ago, Joshe said:

Russia/Putin has likely even infiltrated spirituality. 

Thanks for sharing that. It would make sense. Both Putin and Trump have tried to use the name of Jesus for example as justification for their continued abuses towards humanity. It's a horrible backflip and misuse of spirituality.

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[Joshe]

3 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

@Joshe

Which one is the devil though? Trump, Putin, or Zelensky?  Zelensky looks like a dude I could get drunk with at the strip club and he'd screw my girlfriend back home after I passed out.

lol, yeah, that's probably true. 

There is no single devil. Putin and Trump are devils.

[Inliytened1]

5 minutes ago, Joshe said:

lol, yeah, that's probably true. 

There is no single devil. Putin and Trump are devils.

Guess you missed Leo's video. We are all devils.  

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[Joshe]

3 minutes ago, puporing said:

Both Putin and Trump have tried to use the name of Jesus for example as justification for their continued abuses towards humanity. It's a horrible backflip and misuse of spirituality.

No, I mean spirituality, not religion. I think Russia has amplified actual spiritual teachings—the kind we're all familiar with—as a means of weakening  or destabilizing people. Just think about it. What's more likely, the KGB agents were interested in spirituality or interested in figuring out how to use the information in the best-selling spiritual book for psychological warfare? 

[Joshe]

5 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

Guess you missed Leo's video. We are all devils.  

There are degrees of devilry, and I don't need an authority figure to confirm that. 

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5 minutes ago, Joshe said:

No, I mean spirituality, not religion. I think Russia has amplified actual spiritual teachings—the kind we're all familiar with—as a means of weakening  or destabilizing people. Just think about it. What's more likely, the KGB agents were interested in spirituality or interested in figuring out how to use the information in the best-selling spiritual book for psychological warfare? 

Well to me they're the same thing really (spirituality/religion) when it's being misused, but that's fine if you don't agree with that position.

You can misuse anything, such as "philosophy". Just because you call it something, like "philosophy" doesn't mean you can't misuse it the same.. as another example.

But yes the devil will try use every tool it can to keep its hold. There are quite a large number of tools in its arsenal. 

A deeply corrupted mind will simply just find anything it can use.

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[Joshe]

@puporing What it's called isn't important. My point was that I think Russia has spread or at least considered spreading good spiritual teachings as a means of psychological warfare. lol. Are you getting what I'm saying? It's speculative but it's hard not to take seriously after seeing that excerpt in the book. 

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[puporing]

6 minutes ago, Joshe said:

@puporing What it's called isn't important. My point was that I think Russia has spread or at least considered spreading good spiritual teachings as a means of psychological warfare. lol. Are you getting what I'm saying? It's speculative but it's hard not to take seriously after seeing that excerpt in the book. 

I understand what you pointed to, in particular the line "love is letting go of fear", quite clever.

But this is to be expected I think. People underestimate Vladimir Putin, as well as Donald Trump.

As you perhaps have observed already how much the brainwash has filtered through on this forum.

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[Lyubov]

I personally think the best way of understanding this is not by throwing around labels like devil or saying Trump is a Putin puppet.

Trump aligns with Putin because he has a dictator perspective, he sees himself above the law and respects Putin for that. Trump has a isolationist world view because he thinks the ally countries are ripping the USA off and keeping tensions between Russia going. He has a very simplistic world view of things about how he wants to throw blame at anyone bringing complexity and nuance to an issue and hearing all sides and would rather just side with who he vibes with. It's the same as voters, how they vote off vibes, Trump lives his life the same way when it comes to policy and governing. He thinks slimming the country down from these engagements will make America more effective and he doesn't have the development to actually realize governing these issues requires deep complex thinking and coalition building. He's on the side of Israel and sends weapons there because their lobby buys his campaign, Ukraine doesn't do that and isn't able to lobby the same. He also sees the modern Europe world view as a threat to his authoritarian style, which they back Ukraine, and Trump is a petty contrarian as well so of course he's going to just play big table bully. Trump would rather just cut some dirty big power deal with Russia or China without any dialogue rather than work with smaller ally countries under the democratic process which is what's necessary in order to have so many allies and alliances like the USA does/did. 

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[Lyubov]

The result of this? We don't know because we don't have a crystal ball, the fine balance of everything is being shaken up. There will probably be more conflict but also some problems might be resolved from it. We will have to see. I think USA will become weaker overall and there will be zones of influence instead of the globe working towards rules based order. We already have different internet from China, we will see the China sphere expand when they move into Taiwan, USA will throw fits with it's democratic partner states like Canada and Mexico who it no wants more control over, and Russia will regain some territory from the Soviet times and have more say over Europe, which will develop it's own army and potentially meet Russia in war in the baltics or Ukraine for a second time, I don't see this peace deal lasting if there is one. 

[puporing]

7 minutes ago, Lyubov said:

We don't know because we don't have a crystal ball,

 

7 minutes ago, Lyubov said:

We will have to see.

This is what they are counting the masses on, to be asleep to what is happening while they slowly take over.

Once they take over the military it will be much harder to fight them back, and next thing you know you are completely under their control. That is the "worst case scenario". 

You see most people living in Russia and China have little clue to the kind of spell they are under. But their leaders know what they're doing.

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[Joshe]

 

13 minutes ago, Lyubov said:

Trump aligns with Putin because he has a dictator perspective, he sees himself above the law and respects Putin for that. Trump has a isolationist world view because he thinks the ally countries are ripping the USA off and keeping tensions between Russia going. He has a very simplistic world view of things about how he wants to throw blame at anyone bringing complexity and nuance to an issue and hearing all sides and would rather just side with who he vibes with. It's the same as voters, how they vote off vibes, Trump lives his life the same way when it comes to policy and governing. He thinks slimming the country down from these engagements will make America more effective and he doesn't have the development to actually realize governing these issues requires deep complex thinking and coalition building. He's on the side of Israel and sends weapons there because their lobby buys his campaign, Ukraine doesn't do that and isn't able to lobby the same. He also sees the modern Europe world view as a threat to his authoritarian style, which they back Ukraine, and Trump is a petty contrarian as well so of course he's going to just play big table bully. Trump would rather just cut some dirty big power deal with Russia or China without any dialogue rather than work with smaller ally countries under the democratic process which is what's necessary in order to have so many allies and alliances like the USA does/did. 

Yeah, it's possible it's that simple, but the alternative is also possible. Sounds like you're pretty sure about your position. I'm at 50/50 because I just don't know.

[Inliytened1]

56 minutes ago, puporing said:

Thank you.

 

That isn't an acknowledgement that you are somehow more conscious than the rest of us.  I see that as arrogance.  It is simply to state that you create your reality and if that's what reality you are creating within your own mind then fine.  You are God.  But i am God too and that's not the reality i am creating.   

[puporing]

1 minute ago, Inliytened1 said:

That isn't an acknowledgement that you are somehow more conscious than the rest of us.  I see that as arrogance.  It is simply to state that you create your reality and if that's what reality you are creating within your own mind then fine.  You are God.  But i am God too and that's not the reality i am creating.   

Well you obv can't acknowledge that until you actually reach closer to me, it's obv a chicken and egg situation that goes nowhere trying to argue about it. So I'm not gonna argue with you about it, it is what it is.

[Inliytened1]

11 minutes ago, puporing said:

Well you obv can't acknowledge that until you actually reach closer to me, it's obv a chicken and egg situation that goes nowhere trying to argue about it. So I'm not gonna argue with you about it, it is what it is.

Then why the arrogance or having to prove that others have not reached your level of consciousness?  Its silly really.   You have some type of Leo complex.  I'm calling you out on it because I've seen you do it before and it's really silly.  If you truly believe that you are so much more conscious then everyone else then why even bother being here engaging? No one wants to be belittled here.  It does not make for a fruitful or more conscious dialogue.  

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[Lyubov]

12 minutes ago, Joshe said:

Yeah, it's possible it's that simple, but the alternative is also possible. Sounds like you're pretty sure about your position. I'm at 50/50 because I just don't know.

 

what alternative?

[Joshe]

7 minutes ago, Lyubov said:

what alternative?

Trump is a Putin puppet. 

[Inliytened1]

1 minute ago, Joshe said:

Trump is a Putin puppet. 

To me it's two dictators respecting each other. Trump hasn't had to go head to head with him.  He's playing poker.  If he had to he would probably slit his throat in the night.  Don't underestimate Trump.   Right now he's playing the game.  Not defending him.  But you're only saying he's his puppet because he doesn't want to keep helping Zelensky.   

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19 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

why even bother being here engaging?

I guess God put me here, for now, what else do you want me to say?

(And then you'll say I shouldn't invoke God..).

That some people don't like my presence is to be expected.

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[Inliytened1]

2 minutes ago, puporing said:

I guess God put me here, for now, what else do you want me to say?

(And then you'll say I shouldn't invoke God..).

That some people don't like my presence is to be expected.

No i respect that.  Just cool it with the I'm more conscious than you stuff.