WATCH: Trump argues with Zelenskyy in Oval Office

[Breakingthewall]

1 hour ago, Nemra said:

@Breakingthewall, Trump went to the top by scamming people. You are ignoring truths about him.

How can you trust a person like that to run the government again?

You are willing to let him be catastrophic in the future, and yet you are furious at Biden.

The reality of today's world is extremely complex. anything can happen. Whether I like Trump or not is indifferent, if he's corrupted , narcissist , idiot or anything are childish opinions, all of them are corrupted and narcissist. the important thing is whether an apocalypse is going to occur where 2000 Million people die or if humanity is going to develop forward. Trump's actions can tip the balance in one direction or another, and it is absolutely impossible to know which way he will go.

Biden's actions precipitated the Ukrainian war and that is a fact. Yes, Putin is the one who invaded, the bad guy, whatever you want, but the reality is that the Biden administration's policy has pushed this result while the could avoid it. I'm not saying that they are the guilty or whatever, just that they could avoid the war easily and they didn't .

what's going to happen now? The reality is very complex, the rivalry between the US and China is going to become greater and greater. The crisis in Europe is going to get bigger and bigger. The crisis of Islamic immigration is going to get bigger and bigger, the hatred in the Middle East is going to get bigger and bigger. What is Trump going to do? do you know? I don't, and I don't think anyone can know if their actions will tip the balance toward peace or war. it's too soon to know

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[Inliytened1]

56 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

So how do you stop someone from spewing crappy authoritarian propaganda? I mean if this was a right wing forum i‘d understand it but dear lord.

Report it and capture the post and let us know.  We will review.

But it's an open forum.  We don't want it to be an echo chamber.

 

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[Nemra]

@Breakingthewall, reality being complicated doesn't mean Trump is going to solve issues knowing what he is, what he has done, and what he stands for.

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[Breakingthewall]

1 hour ago, Sincerity said:

Lol what? You're just admitting you are uninformed. No, it's not too soon to make an opinion, wtf 

It is not so easy to make an opinion. Trump's interview with Zelensky is the most rude, embarrassing and crazy thing in the history of modern politics, but maybe it will prevent 50 thousand guys from dying or being crippled when the final result is already clear and inevitable, so is it positive or negative? Maybe You are sure that it is negative, but from another point of view it is positive. 

The other possibility was the blinken option, lowering the recruiting age from 25 to 18 to send 18-year-olds to die for something? For what?

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[Breakingthewall]

12 minutes ago, Nemra said:

@Breakingthewall, reality being complicated doesn't mean Trump is going to solve issues knowing what he is, what he has done, and what he stands for.

We will see. Maybe he has an instinct that helps balance the situation, or maybe it will be a disaster. We all know that Trump is corrupt, it is absolutely obvious, but corrupt is not the same as evil to me. evil is provoking a war for business. Would Trump do that? I don't know. maybe not. rumsfeld, victoria nuland or blinken it seems so. it's just an opinion

[Inliytened1]

Just now, Breakingthewall said:

We will see. Maybe he has an instinct that helps balance the situation, or maybe it will be a disaster. We all know that Trump is corrupt, it is absolutely obvious, but corrupt is not the same as evil to me. evil is provoking a war for business. Would Trump do that? I don't know. maybe not. rumsfeld, victoria nuland or blinken it seems so. it's just an opinion

He just wants the deal and he wants wealth for this country because he made this country a part or his identity.  So that makes the narcissist wealthy too.  He wants the deal.  He doesn't want world dominance. 

[Breakingthewall]

4 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

He just wants the deal and he wants wealth for this country because he made this country a part or his identity.  So that makes the narcissist wealthy too.  He wants the deal.  He doesn't want world dominance. 

Yes, an arrogant businessman is not the same as a predator. With the fat bastard you can reach some kind of agreement, with the predator you are going to be preyed on.

[Nemra]

5 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Would Trump do that? I don't know.

Most likely. If you know him, even a little bit, you would understand that.

He is a scammer businessman after all.

Also, Putin wants war, and he never cared about any deals.

[Breakingthewall]

Just now, Nemra said:

Putin wants war, and he never cared about any deals.

Putin wants Crimea and Dombass, and Ukraine out of NATO. Not Putin, Russia wants that and there is not choice. 

[PurpleTree]

Finally a cool movie at the cinema 

Oscar type stuff.

[Nemra]

2 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Putin wants Crimea and Dombass, and Ukraine out of NATO. Not Putin, Russia wants that and there is not choice. 

And Ukraine has the right to defend itself.

[Hardkill]

1 hour ago, Inliytened1 said:

blaming him for the war?

Yeah this guy is a joke.

Can't even say he's right wing media. 

Someone paid him lol.. 

 

Well, Professor Mearsheimer has turned out to be right about these matters more so than the mainstream media analysts have been.

I know that Leo doesn't always agree with him on some things, but he still considers Mearsheimer to be one of the best experts on military/foreign affairs. 

That being said, Leo said before that pundits like Mearsheimer tend to overdramatize the problems the Western world has and like to sound contrarian.

But I don't get why he's greatly blaming Zelensky and Ukraine for the hell they are in. I mean, maybe Zelensky did make the mistake of not trying to keep his country a neutral territory, but there's no way that he as well as all of Ukraine deserve so much blame for "starting this war" and for suffering immensely from it.

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[Inliytened1]

4 minutes ago, Hardkill said:

Well, Professor Mearsheimer has turned out to be right about these matters more so than the mainstream media analysts have been.

I know that Leo doesn't always agree with him on some things, but he still considers Mearsheimer to be one of the best experts on military/foreign affairs. 

That being said, Leo said before that pundits like Mearsheimer tend to overdramatize the problems the Western world has and like to sound contrarian.

Where is the backstory does he provide that?  As to why he is stating what he is stating.  

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[Breakingthewall]

10 minutes ago, Nemra said:

And Ukraine has the right to defend itself.

It is completely impossible for Ukraine to win a war against Russia. The areas that Russia wants are populated by Russians and in a referendum they chose to join Russia. Crimea is ucranian just from recently for a strange donation, then the right about it is not so clear. So why make a million soldiers die? what is the reason? just business. Ukraine and Russia should be allies, but evil people feed the hatred and this happened . You can't ignore that Russia is your neighbor, maybe you don't like, but it is, feed hate against it is stupid, death. 

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[Hardkill]

5 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

Where is the backstory does he provide that?  As to why he is stating what he is stating.  

Mearsheimer is saying that Zelensky never should've tried to join NATO. He warned Ukraine and NATO for many years not to agitate Russia by constantly expanding NATO eastward.

[Nemra]

@Breakingthewall, you are proving that Putin didn't care about Russians in Ukraine in the first place, that he sent Russian armies to kill them, and he refuses to make deals.

Putin feeds hate way more than you can imagine. Their propaganda is still powerful in Russia and neighboring countries.

[Inliytened1]

1 hour ago, Hardkill said:

Mearsheimer is saying that Zelensky never should've tried to join NATO. He warned Ukraine and NATO for many years not to agitate Russia by constantly expanding NATO eastward.

I'm surprised Leo would back someone from academia like that.  Most of them are still stuck in rationalism.  

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[Breakingthewall]

1 minute ago, Nemra said:

@Breakingthewall, you are proving that Putin didn't care about Russians in Ukraine in the first place, that he sent Russian armies to kill them, and he refuses to make deals.

Putin feeds hate way more than you can imagine. Their propaganda is still powerful in Russia and neighboring countries.

Putin wants Crimea and Dombass, and that's it. Putin is considered too soft in Russia, there was an uprising against him because he was considered weak in the war. In Russia there are many people with power much more aggressive than him. 

The problem is that with all this madness that has been promoted, Russia has put its war machinery to work at full power, and is now producing more ammunition and weapons than all of NATO combined.

Russia is a poor country compared to others, but it is a country that dares war. To begin with, it is displacing the UK and France in Africa, that is why they are so angry. Russia does not want to be a miserable country, and now it has the most well-oiled military machine in the world, it has been a mistake to wake up the bear, perhaps after Putin there will be another more aggressive leader and that will be a problem. 

[Nemra]

2 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Putin wants Crimea and Dombass, and that's it.

No, but luckily his army is not the best as was expected in the past. He would have already agreed with some of the deals.

You don't have to needlessly empathize with Putin. He is the predator that you don't like.

[Breakingthewall]

3 minutes ago, Nemra said:

You don't have to needlessly empathize with Putin. He is the predator that you don't like.

I just think that could be quite worse. If you understand this conflict you will know that it was very difficult to avoid for several reasons, and an important one is the strong Ukrainian nationalism, and this nationalism is not "bad", it's just nationalism. In Ukraine there has been great resentment towards Russia for centuries, and there have been many affronts. The famous Holodomor, in which Stalin supposedly caused a famine to kill millions of Ukrainians and repopulate with Russians, makes Ukrainians not like Russia, but the reality is that the Russians have been there for almost a century and there are lot of them, what is the solution? For the Ukrainians they are enemies, but the Russians cannot tolerate being harassed by Ukrainian nationalists. who is right? It depends on who you are, it's like the thing between the Palestinians and the Israelis, it's impossible to reach an agreement, that's why there was the war.

The problem for me is the US's determination to pour gasoline on the fire so that it burns as long as possible, the result being inevitable.