WATCH: Trump argues with Zelenskyy in Oval Office

[Joshe]

13 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

But you're only saying he's his puppet because he doesn't want to keep helping Zelensky.   

There's a good amount of compelling circumstantial evidence to support the theory. I'm not saying he's his puppet—I'm just saying it's possible, and I think it's an epistemic mistake to lean too far away from that possibility and an even greater mistake to dispense with it entirely, as many seem to have done.

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[puporing]

4 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

No i respect that.  Just cool it with the I'm more conscious than you stuff.  

I don't really go out of my way with that unless it's necessary.

There's a kind of magic to how these things work.

It's hard to get some people to really pay attention otherwise. I mean even then, people can still easily dismiss me, so.

Sorry that it can be "annoying". Again, I don't really have an option sometimes.

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[Inliytened1]

7 hours ago, puporing said:

Idon't really go out of my way with that unless it's necessary.

 

It should never be necessary.   If it's necessary you're getting too emotional.  Kinda like resorting to calling names.

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[puporing]

1 minute ago, Inliytened1 said:

It should never be necessary.

Seems like a double standard you have. Leo also had to do this before if you still remember.

I will get nowhere if I never told a single person about more awakening.

[Inliytened1]

6 minutes ago, puporing said:

Seems like a double standard you have. Leo also had to do this before if you still remember.

I will get nowhere if I never told a single person about more awakening.

This is the political forum not the spiritual forum...and i hope you dont base your existence on awakening people.  You're in for a long hard road in that case.  And if it's hard to get certain people to pay attention to you then maybe you have to really look within to see why you are so worried about what people think or whether they acknowledge you or not.  I do.  I think you're great.  But it doesn't matter what I think.

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[puporing]

1 minute ago, Inliytened1 said:

This is the political forum not the spiritual forum...and i hope you dont base your existence on awakening people.  You're in for a long hard road in that case.  And if it's hard to get certain people to pay attention to you then maybe you have to really look within to see why you are so worried about what people think or whether they acknowledge you or not.  I do.  I think you're great.  But it doesn't matter what I think.

Well everything is related if you haven't noticed yet.

I am not basing on anything other than responding to "the moment".

I'm not "so worried" about it. You can take what I say or leave it. Not sure where this is going. 

[Inliytened1]

34 minutes ago, Joshe said:

There's a good amount of compelling circumstantial evidence to support the theory. I'm not saying he's his puppet—I'm just saying it's possible, and I think it's an epistemic mistake to lean too far away from that possibility and an even greater mistake to dispense with it entirely, as many seem to have done.

It's possible. But the dude is cutthroat in business.  Maybe he's out of his realm when it comes to politics.  I thought that in the beginning but he's a snake as well.  He's too much of a narcissist to be anyone's puppet.  Push comes to shove he will have to exhibit dominance.   That's the whole issue here.  

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[Joshe]

1 hour ago, Inliytened1 said:

He's too much of a narcissist to be anyone's puppet.  Push comes to shove he will have to exhibit dominance.   That's the whole issue here.  

Yeah, that's a good point. You could build a good case for both. There's a lot of compelling evidence that points in the opposite direction if you want to look into it. It's all circumstantial from what I've seen, but when you add it all up, it's not easy to dismiss. 

Also, "puppet" doesn't necessarily mean 100% controlled. It could just mean 25% or 50% controlled or it could mean "in cahoots" or colluding with. So "puppet" isn't the best term. I was just using Lyubov's term. Collusion for power/material gain would be more likely but it's also possible Putin has some dirt or leverage on Trump, which could explain a narcissist taking orders from someone else.

Russia is big into spying. Think of the weak security around Trump's properties, especially from the 70s to 2000s. Maybe they recorded Trump fucking a kid and are blackmailing him with it. That might get a narcissist to do your bidding, especially if you promise him unfathomable riches.

Remember, when Trump was asked by reporters if he'd release the JFK information, he said absolutely. Then was asked if he'd release the information of some other big thing, and he said absolutely. Right after those two questions, he was asked if he'd release the Epstein files and he said "that I'm not sure about, I probably would". Also, Epstein passed away from "suicide" when the cameras just so happened to be off. It's not outside the realm of possibility that the Russians have dirt on Trump. Again, I'm not saying they do, I'm just saying they might. 

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[Inliytened1]

31 minutes ago, Joshe said:

Yeah, that's a good point. You could build a good case for both. There's a lot of compelling evidence that points in the opposite direction if you want to look into it. It's all circumstantial from what I've seen, but when you add it all up, it's not easy to dismiss. 

Also, "puppet" doesn't necessarily mean 100% controlled. It could just mean 25% or 50% controlled or it could mean "in cahoots" or colluding with. So "puppet" isn't the best term. I was just using Lyubov's term. Collusion for power/material gain would be more likely but it's also possible Putin has some dirt or leverage on Trump, which could explain a narcissist taking orders from someone else.

Russia is big into spying. Think of the weak security around Trump's properties, especially from the 70s to 2000s. Maybe they recorded Trump fucking a kid and are blackmailing him with it. That might get a narcissist to do your bidding, especially if you promise him unfathomable riches.

Remember, when Trump was asked by reporters if he'd release the JFK information, he said absolutely. Then was asked if he'd release the information of some other big thing, and he said absolutely. Right after those two questions, he was asked if he'd release the Epstein files and he said "that I'm not sure about, I probably would". Also, Epstein passed away from "suicide" when the cameras just so happened to be off. It's not outside the realm of possibility that the Russians have dirt on Trump. Again, I'm not saying they do, I'm just saying they might. 

LOL.  Where are you seeing that Trump is taking orders from Putin?  Is that more propganda from the left?

 

[cistanche_enjoyer]

5 hours ago, puporing said:

But this is just what I have access to from a higher state of consciousness than the rest of you guys.

 

Man you have an enormous spiritual ego and you are very deluded. I recommend you do some self-inquiry

[Lyubov]

2 hours ago, Joshe said:

There's a good amount of compelling circumstantial evidence to support the theory. I'm not saying he's his puppet—I'm just saying it's possible, and I think it's an epistemic mistake to lean too far away from that possibility and an even greater mistake to dispense with it entirely, as many seem to have done.

Why would Trump serve Putin? What is the benefit or cause for Trump to take orders from Putin as if he is beholden to him for something? 

[Nemra]

@Inliytened1, Trump's weak point is his narcissism. Putin can definitely use that, as he is smarter in manipulation than Trump.

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[PurpleTree]

1 hour ago, Lyubov said:

Why would Trump serve Putin? What is the benefit or cause for Trump to take orders from Putin as if he is beholden to him for something? 

Maybe he has something on him.

Like dirt or whatever.

I was just listening to an author who was with Trump, Bannon 2018 in Helsinki when there was a Trump Putin meeting.

And he said Bannon was just wondering "what the hell does Putin have on Trump"

[Rafael Thundercat]

Maybe we are too focused on Trump and Putin and not realizing that there are billionaire tech people behind the game.

A king head can be cut easily. Dont you guys ever watched Game of Thrones? When we think one character is the most powerfull and importan, suddenly the character is sent to oblivion and we scratch our heads thinking " Whoa,so now ,who is exactly behind of this? 

 

[zazen]

13 hours ago, NewKidOnTheBlock said:

@zazen That's why Russia has been waging information warfare since the time Putin came to power, and even before that during the times of the Soviet Union. And it's been fairly effective so far - they contributed towards Trump getting the presidency both times weakening the unity of the west, and also radicalised many people towards far right

Perhaps the real information warfare is coming from the Western establishment, waged against its own people. For decades the mainstream narrative was unchallenged because the gatekeepers controlled the flow of information. But with the rise of independent media and social platforms, people started encountering perspectives that clashed with the carefully curated story they had been fed their entire lives. 

Sometimes it’s not about misinformation but about the same information framed differently. The same facts can be arranged differently to tell a completely different story. The problem isn’t that people are being lied to by Russia, but that they’re being exposed to realities that the Western establishment would rather keep buried.

About Russian misinformation fueling the rise of right wing population..the real driver of nationalist movements isn’t some Kremlin psyop - its the policies of globalist elites who have neglected their own people in favour of foreign wars, corporate interests, and ideological crusades. The establishments refusal to prioritize its own citizens is exactly whats making people turn to politicians who at least pretend to care about their needs. The irony is that the more the elites push for endless confrontation with Russia, the more they accelerate this backlash.

Just because certain leaders align doesn’t mean there’s a conspiracy. Leaders may be influenced but that doesn’t mean controlled. The claim that Russian propaganda is manipulating people into opposing war or questioning the establishment is just a convenient excuse - even it were true, is that a bad thing? lol. Being fed information to make peace with a nuclear superpower.. sounds terrible.

People don't need Putin to tell them they're being screwed over by their ruling class. In fact in UK where I’m at, Keir Starmer has come out and said he's ready to put troops on the ground and planes in the skies, and has signed us up for a 100 year partnership Ukraine - with £3 billion of support till 2030 to be continued if necessary. 

This is in the context of this same government slashing a winter fuel allowance for the elderly, who have to choose between staying warming or staying full. This is on top of a slew of other austerity measures on social services which are already crumbling.

People care for Ukraine, but not to the extent where we go cold in the winter, or have to spill the blood of our own people to fight a useless war with no outcome, except to escalate the world towards World 3. The elites are framing this as a Churchill vs Hitler moment, when it's just not the case. And that's the problem, when you misread reality, you can have very severe consequences that could have been avoided altogether. 

We have access to different information now, which counters the peddling of establishment misinformation at its worst and mischaracterization at its best, which can lead to these disastrous consequences. This is why people are fighting this and voting for politicians who care more for their national interest.

11 hours ago, puporing said:

If everyone turns a blind eye, Ukraine will be taken, so will probably all the other former Soviet states, and then what?

EU still would have to band together if we kept delaying this, but this time with less manpower and territory.

If you think the West can deal with Russia with 'force' then why do you think Russia is such a threat to the point of being able to not only take Ukraine but then continue to penetrate into Europe and face the might of the West? Which is it.. is Putin/Russia the threat we are told, or are they weakened and able to be defeated in Ukraine ie forced into a peace?

8 hours ago, puporing said:

But this is just what I have access to from a higher state of consciousness than the rest of you guys.

I am in the position to warn mankind of what is happening, whether they "heed my warnings" or not is out of my hands..

I can only do so much. But I hope that you all try to understand that this is the result of my current state of consciousness.

Nice warning Jesus. Just because you are awakened in consciousness doesn't mean you understand geopolitics or the reality and technicalities of warfare. Your spiritual ego is blinding you to the reality on the ground.

Your framing of this whole thing as a battle of “democracy vs. dictatorship”, but there’s nothing democratic about how these decisions are being made in our name. NATO countries never got to vote on whether they wanted to be dragged into an open ended security commitment with Ukraine.

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[Inliytened1]

2 hours ago, zazen said:

 

Your framing of this whole thing as a battle of “democracy vs. dictatorship”, but there’s nothing democratic about how these decisions are being made in our name. NATO countries never got to vote on whether they wanted to be dragged into an open ended security commitment with Ukraine.

Good point.  The good guys will come save the day is long past.  Those were the days of Churchill and Eisenhower 😀

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[Inliytened1]

5 hours ago, Nemra said:

@Inliytened1, Trump's weak point is his narcissism. Putin can definitely use that, as he is smarter in manipulation than Trump.

I would concur.  But Putin is one himself.  And Trump has intelligent advisors with him to level the playing field.

[Nemra]

14 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

Trump has intelligent advisors with him to level the playing field.

Who are they?

[Inliytened1]

1 minute ago, Nemra said:

Who are they?

He or they must remains nameless to further feed Trump's narcissim

 He's not there when the whiskey is poured and the meeting happens.  But he's there afterwards to make sure the ship doesn't sink.

[puporing]

3 hours ago, zazen said:

Nice warning Jesus. Just because you are awakened in consciousness doesn't mean you understand geopolitics or the reality and technicalities of warfare. Your spiritual ego is blinding you to the reality on the ground.

Your framing of this whole thing as a battle of “democracy vs. dictatorship”, but there’s nothing democratic about how these decisions are being made in our name. NATO countries never got to vote on whether they wanted to be dragged into an open ended security commitment with Ukraine.

Democracy has to defend itself with threats from dictatorships to exist in this world. It's basically like defending against criminals.

I'm sorry but you do not even understand basic concepts.

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