WATCH: Trump argues with Zelenskyy in Oval Office

[Breakingthewall]

Just now, PurpleTree said:

Stop spreading Rubbish Russia Propaganda. 

Ok, I'm done with this topic for ever. Thanks for the conversation 

 

1 minute ago, puporing said:

sorry but you now just sound like a Putin puppet, and you don't even realize how wrong you are in your pro-Putin position.

I'm not pro Putin, I just think that Russia is not going to try to conquer Finland and Poland, I don't like Putin and any other politician who send people to war, I just want to understand the facts, but seems impossible to have a conversation about facts without emotional thing, so I'm done and I'm sorry if I offended anyone 

[puporing]

1 minute ago, Breakingthewall said:

I'm not pro Putin, I just think that Russia is not going to try to conquer Finland and Poland, I don't like Putin and any other politician who send people to war, I just want to understand the facts, but seems impossible to have a conversation about facts without emotional thing, so I'm done and I'm sorry if I offended anyone 

We are talking facts, you are just very conveniently ignoring them because you fundamentally agree with Putin's position.

Edited Sunday at 08:10 PM by puporing

[PurpleTree]

Bro i don’t like Putin.

But if he wants donbass we should let him take it.

Let him bomb Ukraine.

Russia won’t attack other countries. Putin and Medved said it and they are very trustworthy.

And if they wage propaganda and hybrid warfare against us then just let em do it.

We shouldn’t fight back

Let‘s appease Putin.

But remember i‘m not a Putin fanboy

 

 

 

^ that’s you

[zazen]

@puporing What about the fact that Russia outproduces the collective West in tanks, shells and artillery? Or is that not a fact. How are we going to show equal force to Russia..to achieve peace through a “strength” we lack?

[puporing]

12 minutes ago, zazen said:

@puporing What about the fact that Russia outproduces the collective West in tanks, shells and artillery? Or is that not a fact. How are we going to show equal force to Russia..to achieve peace through a “strength” we lack?

The "fact" right now on the ground is they are being held off, as opposed to some "quick victory" they initially thought they would have.

So to me it appears that we have equal force, as US hasn't withdrawn.

There's a great risk that US will withdraw depending on how diplomatic talks go. So given that we do not know exactly how Trump will sway as long as Trump is in power, the rest of the countries should invest more in those means of production, equipment.

And even after Trump I think it's a good idea, especially if Putin continues to be in power.

Edited Sunday at 08:29 PM by puporing

[Ishanga]

3 hours ago, puporing said:

You're the fallacy and propagandist. You seem to be working for Putin.

You wouldn't even have a country left if Ukraine and allies wasn't still fighting.

What you will have is Putin's regime, it will be even worse than Trump's current one. Do some research before you start shooting down democratic nations. 

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And if you fundamentally agree with Putin's regime, well, you have really lost your mind and I don't think there's an easy way to come back from that.

??Where did I say I agree with Putin in any way, You see how identification or belief in something blinds ppl???

I think he is nut case, wants to regain or bring back the USSR and will do anything to achieve that, so he doesn't care about any life he destroys, he only wants what he wants... Trump is not that far gone, to say they are is nuts, he has his agenda too, but he's not going to destroy and kill ppl on purpose via a traditional war... And You think Your Jesus lol, You need to go back and analyse your beliefs they are really blinding You!!

[puporing]

8 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

??Where did I say I agree with Putin in any way, You see how identification or belief in something blinds ppl???

I think he is nut case, wants to regain or bring back the USSR and will do anything to achieve that, so he doesn't care about any life he destroys, he only wants what he wants... Trump is not that far gone, to say they are is nuts, he has his agenda too, but he's not going to destroy and kill ppl on purpose via a traditional war... And You think Your Jesus lol, You need to go back and analyse your beliefs they are really blinding You!!

No you are severely delusional and I have to call it out for what it is. Nothing personal. But you are spreading falsehood everywhere and that is a problem.

[Ishanga]

The fact of the matter is we as Monday morning quarter backs, sitting comfortably in our chairs in front of our screens no nothing of what is really going on, we only get our info from biased media, no matter where You get it from, its all bias to one side or the other with agendas and such..

No one here could handle running a country or even a good sized company that has thousands of employees, so no one has credibility, like I said in my thread of how this place is low Consciousness, its proven here, You think You know what is the right thing to do in regard to situations like this without all the facts, never really being there and such its Ludacris, its insane to think or believe otherwise that a normal person that is functioning in every day life has a clue of what is right or wrong in these situations in an Absolute Way, its like ppl coitizing a hockey team coach or team itself the day after a loss when they have no idea what it is like to be a coach or player, lol... 

All we know is War is Bad, ppl dying for War is Bad, why they are doing it or not is anyone's guess, but guesses is gambling, do You want to gamble with ppl's lives?? The situations of this World, its been going on like this since day one of human existence for the most part is Unconsciousness, the cure is Consciousness, that won't happen on a mass scale for a very long time if we make it that far, take care of Yourselves, don't worry so much about Shit You know nothing really about...just my advice:)

[puporing]

@Ishanga arguing with you is like arguing with the Devil: white is black and black is white. It pretty much goes nowhere. 

You are trying to equate low consciousness with high consciousness and lumping them as the same. It's not. That you are doing that is probably in bad faith trying to justify low consciousness.

Edited Sunday at 09:45 PM by puporing

[puporing]

3 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

All we know is War is Bad, ppl dying for War is Bad, why they are doing it or not is anyone's guess, but guesses is gambling, do You want to gamble with ppl's lives?

Same talking points as Trump, who by the way has no interest in protecting Ukrainians from invaders.

[puporing]

4 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

don't worry so much about Shit You know nothing really about...just my advice:)

I have to worry about devils like you unfortunately.

[Ishanga]

1 minute ago, puporing said:

Same talking points as Trump, who by the way has no interest in protecting Ukrainians from invaders.

My advice to You since Your so invested in this is too go over there and join the Ukrainians in the war, they need soldiers...Talking about it is means nothing!

[puporing]

2 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

My advice to You since Your so invested in this is too go over there and join the Ukrainians in the war, they need soldiers...Talking about it is means nothing!

Thanks for the diversion tactic. Information warfare is just as crucial in this moment. But I have no problem joining the fight with the military if it comes to this.

If I was gone nobody's here to deal with the likes of you.

Edited Sunday at 09:50 PM by puporing

[Ishanga]

2 minutes ago, puporing said:

I have to worry about devils like you unfortunately.

"“Love thy enemy” is a Bible verse that appears in Matthew 5:44. In this verse, Jesus tells people to love their enemies, bless them, do good to them, and pray for them"

[puporing]

1 minute ago, Ishanga said:

"“Love thy enemy” is a Bible verse that appears in Matthew 5:44. In this verse, Jesus tells people to love their enemies, bless them, do good to them, and pray for them"

Misusing the teaching.

I wish no harm on you but you are spreading falsehood.

Edited Sunday at 09:51 PM by puporing

[Ishanga]

1 minute ago, puporing said:

Thanks for the diversion tactic. Information warfare is just as crucial in this moment. But I have no problem joining the fight with the military if it comes to this.

Just in case others are reading this, its ppl like You that have severe Identification problems with beliefs and ideologies that start the wars in the first place, because of it they don't see themselves in others, they see others and others as non living entities, which means you value them no more, super sad to say the least!

[puporing]

Just now, Ishanga said:

Just in case others are reading this, its ppl like You that have severe Identification problems with beliefs and ideologies that start the wars in the first place, because of it they don't see themselves in others, they see others and others as non living entities, which means you value them no more, super sad to say the least!

You are profoundly mistaken and have no understanding of what I am.

So unfortunately you think you are equal in your argumentations but you aren't even close.

[NewKidOnTheBlock]

@zazen What about the fact that Russia suffered huge manpower losses? Which weren't inflicted on the West. West still has a lot of professional fresh troops ready to be deployed even without US. It doesn't matter how much you outproduce someone when there's not a soul left capable of using the equipment you've produced

[Yimpa]

 

[sholomar]

There's no logic in continuing to funnel hundreds of billions of dollars to "defend Ukraine" when Russia is a nuclear state and has a rather large stockpile. Better to try to come to some sort of deal, even if it means some land concessions, to end the fighting and conflict. People think Putin/Russia plan to invade other countries and take over Europe, which is silly. They're not going to do that. Putin shouldn't have started the war, but he needs some sort of deal to "save face" ... should he be punished for starting the war? The question is not should he be, it's whether you think you can do it with his nuclear stockpile.

How do we achieve peace without a dragged out war that goes another 5 years and ultimately leads to Putin using nukes when he runs out of troops and we've ended up destroying how many more cities and cost how many more lives?

Edited Sunday at 10:54 PM by sholomar