They are giving Luigi the death penalty

[The Crocodile]

18 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

@yetineti The point is that before you can meaningfully criticize business you must understand why it works as it does. Otherwise you end up like a communist who criticizes capitalism in delusional ways. There is a deep intelligence to how business is structured. A much higher intelligence than leftism.

In this instance leftism is a higher intelligence than business since health insurance should be universal and not a business at all. You could say the intelligence of the human body is higher than execution, but the execution in some cases should still extricate that intelligence. Or rather leftism should extricate the machinery of certain businesses. 

[yetineti]

@puporing

Fantastic point. 
 

[yetineti]

@Something Funny

2 minutes ago, Something Funny said:

You do seem to be emotionally invested in it though

I am emotionally invested in understanding.

[Leo Gura]

5 minutes ago, The Crocodile said:

In this instance leftism is a higher intelligence than business

This is exactly the self-deception at the heart of leftism.

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since health insurance should be universal and not a business at all.

"Should" is your fantasy.

No one owes you healthcare.

Is such entitlement intelligent?

Edited 13 hours ago by Leo Gura

[Something Funny]

6 minutes ago, puporing said:

CEOs/COOs are worth something like 500x more than other people for instance.

why do you measure people's worth by their salary?

[puporing]

2 minutes ago, Something Funny said:

why do you measure people's worth by their salary?

That's not my position, read my post again..

I am critiquing that position.

[yetineti]

@Something Funny

1 minute ago, Something Funny said:

why do you measure people's worth by their salary?

You misunderstood their point. Also, with everything you said before, are you saying that you do not measure people by their salaries?

[Something Funny]

1 minute ago, puporing said:

I am critiquing that position.

Who do you think has that position?

[puporing]

Just now, Something Funny said:

Who do you think has that position?

The people who believe they deserve such kind of compensation.

[Something Funny]

1 minute ago, yetineti said:

are you saying that you do not measure people by their salaries?

If you were interested in understanding, you would know the answer to that question. From what I can see, you are interested in hating on things and people

[The Crocodile]

4 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Is such entitlement intelligent?

None of this is impossible. AOC could just be elected within the next 20 years. Anything could happen. No, giving people free stuff in itself is not necessarily a hyperintelligent system. I would say it renders the potential for much more intelligent arrangements though rather than what we have now, people can develop morality, culture, technology, and consciousness and their own personal intelligence without the strain of worrying they'll starve to death because they're being ground to dust by hierarchy.

[yetineti]

@Something Funny if you don’t like this conversation, you can leave and find another one…

[puporing]

It has to do with the will of the people. If the masses generally perceive that it is in their collective interest to have publicly funded systems in areas such as healthcare, roads, education, security, then the masses shall implement such.

If it is not in the masses interest, then they will not have such.

How the masses come to such decisions however, is generally learning through sheer suffering (the consequences of not having them).

You can have a masses of baboons voting for barbarism too.

Edited 13 hours ago by puporing

[Something Funny]

Just now, puporing said:

The people who believe they deserve such kind of compensation.

This is funny. From my perspective, for you to look at it like this, you need to believe that compensation is reflective of a person's worth. 

You are basically saying: "Oh, so you think you deserve to earn 1000X more than this person, you must think that you are worth 1000X more than them". But those are your own words. There is no reason why that CEO has to see things like that. In fact, he doesn't need to have any belief at all about other people's worth to believe that he deserves something.

Just because I believe that I deserve to live in heaven doesn't say anything about what I believe you deserve / don't deserve.

[Something Funny]

@yetineti lol. You are the one hating on Leo. Maybe you should leave this forum and find yourself another teacher.

[Leo Gura]

3 minutes ago, The Crocodile said:

None of this is impossible. AOC could just be elected within the next 20 years.

At our current rate we will be lucky to have elections at all.

There is a time for fantasy and there is a time for reality.

If leftists were winning elections then I wouldn't need to underscore the problems in their worldview as I now must.

Edited 13 hours ago by Leo Gura

[puporing]

1 minute ago, Something Funny said:

There is no reason why that CEO has to see things like that. In fact, he doesn't need to have any belief at all about other people's worth to believe that he deserves something.

I would say he does, it's not just some accident or fluke that these people constantly are defending their salaries and lobbies against naysayers.

[Leo Gura]

1 minute ago, Something Funny said:

@yetineti lol. You are the one hating on Leo. Maybe you should leave this forum and find yourself another teacher.

Don't tell people to leave the forum.

He is allowed to disagree.

[Davino]

I would like to frame crime from a historical tribal perspective:

Let's imagine we are a tribe of 20 people surviving in the middle of the dessert, water is scarce and food hard to find.

In our mini society, there are different roles: the hunters, the gatherers, the doctor, the shaman, the housekeepers, the warriors, the leader etc.

Now let's say a crime has happened and we as a tribe have to judge it.

How are we gonna judge the murder of a fellow brother? On the value that it gives to our society. Did the housekeeper die or the doctor die? Or the best hunter that always brought food to eat? or the elder leader of the tribe?

So from one point death is always a crime but from a collective perspective it depends on the damage done to the community. It's not the same that the father supplier of a family dies than a newborn does, the impact and consequences are more severe, now it's one death and the whole family is in danger. So to speak crime is relative to the damage it does on top of the base human respect we all have for each other.

[yetineti]

@Something Funny

1 minute ago, Something Funny said:

@yetineti lol. You are the one hating on Leo. Maybe you should leave this forum and find yourself another teacher.

I am sorry that is your interpretation of the situation. I am merely arguing points. It has nothing to do with Leo. Of course, his bias, like my bias and anyone else's, should be taken into consideration. He is not my teacher, though. I do not follow him. And if that is how you view him, may I warn you, you are setting yourself up for failure.