They are giving Luigi the death penalty

[puporing]

  On 2/26/2025 at 6:44 PM, Inliytened1 said:

Souls are completely imaginary.  Souls are something you as God dreamed up.  Along with Jesus and Yahweh.  And Mohammed.  But you are the infinite God imagining all souls.   Imagining everything as the Infinite, formless Mind that you are.  Yeah you are Spirit and Divinity because you are Infinite.  But souls is something you created.   You're still stuck in religion. 

 

 

No I am not, I say souls loosely as equivalent to spirit, spirit is your true form as you should know by now. You are not awake enough to understand/recognize me. That's all .

Edited February 26 by puporing

[Inliytened1]

  On 2/26/2025 at 6:48 PM, puporing said:

No I am not, I say souls loosely as equivalent to spirit, spirit is your true form as you should know by now. You are not awake enough to understand/recognize me. That's all .

Well i think they go nowhere when the vanish from this dream because you are dreaming it right now, not them.  And you aren't a soul or a self.  You're the whole thing.

Edited February 26 by Inliytened1

[puporing]

  On 2/26/2025 at 6:55 PM, Inliytened1 said:

Well i think they go nowhere when the vanish from this dream because you are dreaming it right now, not them.  And you aren't a soul or a self.  You're the whole thing.

Without guidance and intervention they won't go very far and mostly repeat from "before". Well you are still dreaming you are not me so your mind is just as powerful as "mine". 

Again this is circular until you waken deeper.

I am not "dreaming" btw, certainly not in relation to anyone here. I am just here to facilitate the process of awakening.

Edited February 26 by puporing

[Inliytened1]

  On 2/26/2025 at 6:58 PM, puporing said:

Without guidance and intervention they won't go very far and mostly repeat from "before". Well you are still dreaming you are not me so your mind is just as powerful as "mine". 

Again this is circular until you waken deeper.

I am not "dreaming" btw, certainly not in relation to anyone here. I am just here to facilitate the process of awakening.

Our paradigms are different then.  From my direct experience it has become apparent to me that Consciousness or Awareness is God and right now God is dreaming a particular dream.   Full stop.  God is imagining self/other and subject/object along with all other dualities.  All duality is appearance to create the illusion of a dream or a reality

 That's it.  So there aren't any souls or repercussions of any souls coming back to repeat the same behavior again.  That is all an illusion.  When this dream ends another may commence or may not.  

 

 

Edited February 26 by Inliytened1

[puporing]

  On 2/26/2025 at 7:32 PM, Inliytened1 said:

become apparent to me that Consciousness or Awareness is God and right now God is dreaming a particular dream.   Full stop.  God is imagining self/other and subject/object along with all other qualities. 

You created a kind of "mind" that seems God like but it's not the true God/true being of what you were. And yes your true being was capable of doing such a thing to split off almost completely from your original mind.

So you can make a mind to deceive yourself almost indefinitely, that looks like "God". 

But your original mind does not will for this world to continue the way it is. That's all I'll say about that at this time.

  On 2/26/2025 at 7:32 PM, Inliytened1 said:

there aren't any souls or repercussions of any souls coming back to repeat the same behavior again.

The "repercussions" is mostly that they will be stuck in darkness and delusions so to speak. That itself is its own sort of "punishment".

Edited February 26 by puporing

[Inliytened1]

@puporing maybe..how would you know..you are a separate God Mind.  Anyway - don't wish to derail...but i shall ask you to explain how souls and Reincarnation plays a role in your view on the death penalty and whether you support it or not? 

[Emerald]

  On 2/26/2025 at 6:20 PM, Inliytened1 said:

That depends on perspective.  Why is death so much worse than life in prison without parole?  Let's say your daughter was killed by a psychopath killer with no hope for rehabilitation.  Would you want him to stay alive for the next 30 years or would you want him gone?  He isn't doing anything but taking up taxpayers money and living and breathing and "finding God" which is a load of crap because he is a psychopath.   While your daughter is dead..stolen from you in the golden years. Doesn't this bother you at all?  It's ok to be human, you know.  Sometimes that's OK.  But eh, if you are so against the death penalty that you want us to feed him and allow him to read books for twenty years then OK.  It's not humane to take a life but it was OK for him to.  And it's OK to imprison him for life.   It's meant to provide justice to the families.  Not all families have to believe in forgiveness.  Or lack of violence.  It isnt higher consciousness necessarily.  And if you believe it is then why is it?  Please provide and include if this would include your religious beliefs because often we turn to God would want us to forgive.....but to me that would be a narrow minded notion. And if not for God than why?  Because someone said so? Personally I think if you kill another human being you've crossed a line there ain't no coming back from.

I might personally want him dead or to kill him. I might even try to kill him myself. That's quite normal and natural to want revenge.

But the death penalty actually costs a lot more than life-imprisonment for the tax payers... first off.

But the crux of my reason for opposing the death penalty is that I want a non-corrupt justice system based on the exalted archetype of justice... and not based off of lower paradigms where punishment and revenge are the focus of the justice system.

And the paradigm of justice where death is viewed as a punishment is an inherent corruption of the concept of justice itself.

You can either focus on punishing evil-doers as the priority of the justice system... or you can focus on actual justice (aka promoting harmony and safety in society). 

Death is not a punishment. It is a natural part of life. And framing death as a punishment will enforce the notion that death is bad and that life should spring eternal.

But also, the exalted paradigm of justice and the death penalty are incompatible with one another. That is one of the reasons why the most harmonious safest places on Earth don't have the death penalty. 

[puporing]

  On 2/26/2025 at 7:50 PM, Inliytened1 said:

how souls and Reincarnation plays a role in your view on the death penalty and whether you support it or not? 

I don't support it fundamentally because it will not help that particular being to "be a better person". Oftentimes they will just "find better ways" to exploit others and try to exploit rules, like your Donald Trumps of the world. They will just become "better criminals".

It's not necessarily that I gather "scientific studies" on this though that could be relevant, this is how I understand spirit to function and through experience.

A "criminal mind" will not respond well to something similar, they respond much better if you both strike them hard from a position of strength, (eg, the threat of real severe consequences) and as well give them the choice/room for redemption to do better going forward. If you demonstrate mercy on them then they will respond (usually) positively. Demonstrating by being a better example almost always "wins out" as opposed to "eye for an eye".

And yes it would carry with them when you "kill them" physically to the next incarnation, as no true learning or remorse has occured. It will most likely just maintain or increase the kind of "hatred" they already have.

But notice that I am not suggesting to be soft on them either, this is a fine balance.

For someone like me, (a healer), I have to just accept that "life isn't fair" due to bad actors in the system. 

Edited February 26 by puporing

[LordFall]

  On 2/23/2025 at 4:17 AM, integral said:

The rest of the population want him free so we can go around killing the rest of the leeches on society.

Don't get into this anti rich people anarchist propaganda, it's one of the most unhelpful states of consciousness one could be in. 

[The Crocodile]

@Inliytened1 Souls exist. It's part of relative reality but with an "aspect" of Absolute reality intact.

[PurpleTree]

  On 2/26/2025 at 8:38 PM, LordFall said:

Don't get into this anti rich people anarchist propaganda, it's one of the most unhelpful states of consciousness one could be in. 

^ That’s what a 1%er would say

[Inliytened1]

  On 2/26/2025 at 8:00 PM, Emerald said:

I might personally want him dead or to kill him. I might even try to kill him myself. That's quite normal and natural to want revenge.

But the death penalty actually costs a lot more than life-imprisonment for the tax payers... first off.

But the crux of my reason for opposing the death penalty is that I want a non-corrupt justice system based on the exalted archetype of justice... and not based off of lower paradigms where punishment and revenge are the focus of the justice system.

 

 

That sounds very exalted indeed 😀

But who actually made the decision on what is a lower paradigm.

 

 

[Inliytened1]

  On 2/26/2025 at 8:53 PM, The Crocodile said:

@Inliytened1 Souls exist. It's part of relative reality but with an "aspect" of Absolute reality intact.

If you say so.

[The Crocodile]

  On 2/26/2025 at 9:15 PM, Inliytened1 said:

If you say so.

Just be here now, bro. But which now? There infinite nows you can be in, not just one.

The "be here now" stuff is just a lie / con artistry.

If there was only one moment language and thought and life and motion could not exist at all, and yet they do.

[Inliytened1]

  On 2/26/2025 at 8:00 PM, Emerald said:

I

And the paradigm of justice where death is viewed as a punishment is an inherent corruption of the concept of justice itself.

 

Why?

 

  On 2/26/2025 at 8:00 PM, Emerald said:

You can either focus on punishing evil-doers as the priority of the justice system... or you can focus on actual justice (aka promoting harmony and safety in society). 

L

How is this actual justice? Is this your opinion?  This probably isn't actual justice for the mother that lost her daughter.   So what's the difference in actual justice to her?

[Inliytened1]

  On 2/26/2025 at 9:19 PM, The Crocodile said:

Just be here now, bro. But which now? There infinite nows you can be in, not just one.

The "be here now" stuff is just a lie / con artistry.

If there was only one moment language and thought and life and motion could not exist at all, and yet they do.

The only thing that exists is right now.  Which now goes into imagination.  The paradox is yes other nows may exist but not simultaneously as time is imaginary.  So there's no point in thinking about the future or the past or something behind the scenes.  In that sense souls don't exist, even if they did.

Edited February 26 by Inliytened1

[Inliytened1]

  On 2/26/2025 at 9:19 PM, The Crocodile said:

 

If there was only one moment language and thought and life and motion could not exist at all, and yet they do.

All of Infinity can be held within one moment.  Right now.  All of infinity.   It doesn't need anything else.

[Inliytened1]

  On 2/26/2025 at 8:02 PM, puporing said:

I don't support it fundamentally because it will not help that particular being to "be a better person". 

They'd be dead.. so..obviously...

 

  On 2/26/2025 at 8:02 PM, puporing said:

A "criminal mind" will not respond well to something similar, they respond much better if you both strike them hard from a position of strength, (eg, the threat of real severe consequences) and as well give them the choice/room for redemption to do better going forward. If you demonstrate mercy on them then they will respond (usually) positively. Demonstrating by being a better example almost always "wins out" as opposed to "eye for an eye".

 

That's optimistic but not always the case. Noted though. I like to be a optimistic that someone can be redeemed.   I do not believe all people deserve the death  penalty. 

 

  On 2/26/2025 at 8:02 PM, puporing said:

IAnd yes it would carry with them when you "kill them" physically to the next incarnation, as no true learning or remorse has occured. It will most likely just maintain or increase the kind of "hatred" they already have.

But notice that I am not suggesting to be soft on them either, this is a fine balance.

For someone like me, (a healer), I have to just accept that "life isn't fair" due to bad actors in the system. 

Again Reincarnation is imaginary and held within this dream.  You are God dreaming all that there is right now.  Nothing else exists because all of reality can be held within this moment of existence.  All notions of souls and souls returning.  Etc.

Edited February 26 by Inliytened1

[The Crocodile]

  On 2/26/2025 at 9:33 PM, Inliytened1 said:

All of Infinity can be held within one moment.  Right now.  All of infinity.   It doesn't need anything else.

This is incorrect and just something you've heard from other people and deluded yourself into.

[Inliytened1]

  On 2/26/2025 at 9:51 PM, The Crocodile said:

This is incorrect and just something you've heard from other people and deluded yourself into.

What do you think a dream is? Its one frame - just like a video game.  But the difference between a video game and reality is reality only needs the current frame.  There doesn't need to be a database, or code on some back end server behind the scenes.  There is no behind the scenes.  This is a very advanced realization so don't beat yourself up.  But it is absolutely true.