They are giving Luigi the death penalty

[zazen]

1 hour ago, Elliott said:

Death penalty costs 7x more than imprisoning someone for life.

Welcome to yet another example to illustrate the control and capture of the state by money. This is the perverse dynamic at play in the US - that money controls the state rather than the other way round.  Why does it cost so much? Because liberal values are weaponized, and justice is commodified and milked by a extensive legal procedure enriching lawyers, courts, and the prison/legal-industrial complex.

Their are notorious cases where there is no moral ambiguity as to what the fate of the criminal should be. Serial killers, mass shooters etc. The entire point of the death penalty is to remove the irredeemable - those who have committed acts so heinous that there is zero moral ambiguity about their fate. And yet, the modern legal system creates artificial complexity where there should be none.

Ted Bundy dragged his case for a decade with countless legal moves. Legal moves that are in place due to liberal values - the hyper-focus on due process, endless appeals, and excessive legal protections that prioritize the criminal over the victim. This is the ideological obstruction of justice despite ample evidence of guilt, fed upon by capitalist greed. Liberal legal values can create inefficiencies that turn clear cut cases into million dollar spectacles.

[Elliott]

1 hour ago, zazen said:

Welcome to yet another example to illustrate the control and capture of the state by money. This is the perverse dynamic at play in the US - that money controls the state rather than the other way round.  Why does it cost so much? Because liberal values are weaponized, and justice is commodified and milked by a extensive legal procedure enriching lawyers, courts, and the prison/legal-industrial complex.

Their are notorious cases where there is no moral ambiguity as to what the fate of the criminal should be. Serial killers, mass shooters etc. The entire point of the death penalty is to remove the irredeemable - those who have committed acts so heinous that there is zero moral ambiguity about their fate. And yet, the modern legal system creates artificial complexity where there should be none.

Ted Bundy dragged his case for a decade with countless legal moves. Legal moves that are in place due to liberal values - the hyper-focus on due process, endless appeals, and excessive legal protections that prioritize the criminal over the victim. This is the ideological obstruction of justice despite ample evidence of guilt, fed upon by capitalist greed. Liberal legal values can create inefficiencies that turn clear cut cases into million dollar spectacles.

Liberal states don't have a death penalty, that number is from Florida a conservative state.

Psycopathy is a mental disability. 

Edited 5 hours ago by Elliott

[Clarence]

@Leo Gura Maybe it's easier for you to hold this position because you aren't extremely sensitive and empathetic.

I understand your position, and that society needs an important degree of strictness and order to function properly.

So I could fully agree with your perspective, but what holds me back is my sensitivity. I wouldn't feel fully at peace making the decision to apply the death penalty.

One thing is that it could create extensive suffering in the world—for example, for the family members of the person. People might still love their parent or their child, even after they become the worst murderers.

If this were to happen to the people I love the most, I would be extremely shocked, but I would also, I believe, feel resentful towards society if they were to kill my closest relative. I would feel like the direct victim of a crime that I didn’t commit (their crime).

What do you think about this aspect? Do you think it's fair?  

I would likely be capable of toughening up for the collective and the growth of society, if the death penalty in specific cases were the most conscious thing to do. But this still bugs me. What if it happened to someone I love?

This might not seem likely to happen to people like us, but for those who aren’t as lucky as we are, it happens. I’m not sure I’d be in favor of the death penalty if I were directly affected by it. Losing someone this way would hurt me so deeply in ways I can't even fathom.

There are more things than this that bother me about death penalty, but this is one of them.

It is very brutal to take someone's life, even if the convicted person is a murderer themselves.

[Something Funny]

I've been thinking about it more, and I think that if you are willing to take somebody's life, you should be ready to lose yours.

Still not sure if this idea should be implemented in the form of death penalty. My biggest concerns mistrials and corruption.

[Joshe]

What would Jesus do? 

[Basman]

@Leo Gura Going a bit off topic here but in relation to strictness, do you think corporal punishment of children has a place? Like, if they break a major rule? Like for example stealing money from their parents or assaulting other kids.

[Yimpa]

4 hours ago, Joshe said:

What would Jesus do? 

What did Jesus do?