They are giving Luigi the death penalty

[Something Funny]

Just now, Leo Gura said:

Don't tell people to leave the forum.

He is allowed to disagree.

Ok.

I just don't understand why you would want to follow somebody as a teacher when you don't even respect them. There is a million people you can learn from.
 

[Something Funny]

5 minutes ago, puporing said:

I would say he does, it's not just some accident or fluke that these people constantly are defending their salaries and lobbies against naysayers.

I think that this is a projection. Some might actually believe that, some might not. My point is that it's not necessary to hold any statements about other's worth to believe that you deserve something.

And regarding defending your salary, this is a simple survival situation, I think it has little to do with their philosophical beliefs. 

[puporing]

3 minutes ago, Something Funny said:

I think that this is a projection. Some might actually believe that, some might not. My point is that it's not necessary to hold any statements about other's worth to believe that you deserve something.

And regarding defending your salary, this is a simple survival situation, I think it has little to do with their philosophical beliefs. 

Well I can't say I can read the minds of every such person, that is not my claim. My claim is based on the rhetoric I hear from such people or those aligned in similar beliefs. 

You should go back and read Leo's own comments. He fundamentally thinks CEOs deserves millions and billions of their pay.

That does not compute with me about "survival", as my notion of survival is not even close to what these people believe to be "enough for survival". 

It's not even close, not even remotely close.

So it is a belief, what one believes one "needs" to "survive", that is a belief yes.

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[SwiftQuill]

6 minutes ago, yetineti said:

@Something Funny

I am sorry that is your interpretation of the situation. I am merely arguing points. It has nothing to do with Leo. Of course, his bias, like my bias and anyone else's, should be taken into consideration. He is not my teacher, though. I do not follow him. And if that is how you view him, may I warn you, you are setting yourself up for failure.

 

They worship him. They agree with his points because they are his points.

[yetineti]

@Something Funny Leo is one of the most intelligent people on the planet. I am not going to agree with anyone on everything. And again, I don’t view him as a teacher.

[Something Funny]

Just now, puporing said:

That does not compute with me about "survival", as my notion of survival is not even close to what these people believe to be "enough for survival".

I mean that if somebody was trying to attack your salary and question whether you deserve it or not, you would obviously want to defend it as well. What do you expect them to do?

Action = Reaction

 

[Leo Gura]

There is no objective right or wrong answer on this topic. It's a matter of taste.

[yetineti]

1 minute ago, SwiftQuill said:

They worship him. They agree with his points because they are his points.

Pointing this out, does nothing.

[yetineti]

@Leo Gura That’s exactly what someone with some power would say

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[puporing]

4 minutes ago, Something Funny said:

I mean that if somebody was trying to attack your salary and question whether you deserve it or not, you would obviously want to defend it as well. What do you expect them to do?

Action = Reaction

 

Yeah but they are also blind to the obvious contradiction that they are against "murderers" for example, meanwhile CEOs can deal some hefty damage by cost cutting and focusing on their own profit maximization, and essentially committing crimes.

I'm not just saying these things, this has been demonstrated over and over in history.

And I didn't say people need no money to live, this is such a strawman.

We are not arguing about having $0 pay vs millions. That's kind of what you are suggesting.

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[yetineti]

What's ironic is Leo probably is underpaid, but he can't be both underpaid and agree with the framework like he is, in his own mind. So, something's gotta give.

[Leo Gura]

Didn't it ever cross your mind that I am underpaid by choice?

[The Crocodile]

17 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

At our current rate we will be lucky to have elections at all.

He could just die of a heart attack.

Once he dies I don't see anybody that could carry the movement.

I think if you cut the head off the monster will just die. Donald Jr., Elon, J.D., Ron DeSantis--none of these guys have enough of his power to continue the cult.

[Davino]

8 minutes ago, SwiftQuill said:

They worship him. They agree with his points because they are his points.

That happens. 

There's also another dynamic going on: users disagree or split hairs with Leo just because they are his points.

In the end, we should align with truth independently of the vehicle.

[SwiftQuill]

You guys talk shit about the right wing, and claim the left is "too compassionate"? The left is sadistic. It engages in sadistic glee. Especially when it comes to "righeous justice".

Take examples of whenever a politician is arrested, or whenever a school shooter or pedophile gets arrested. Or the guy who killed George Floyd.

The GLEE on their eyes. The primitive black and white morality, the "Omg that son of a bitch is going to rot in jail forever HE SO DESERVES IT" and some even COMPLAIN (as seen in this thread) whenever these horrific crimes don't lead to death sentence.

Like, yeah, criminals are bad? Why are you so satisfied about hearing of this or that criminal experiencing deep suffering? You call that compassion? It's tribalism.

This notion of leftists "caring too much about those poor criminals" is preposterous. Very lacking in self awareness. It's a fluffy, inaccurate characterization of the left.

[yetineti]

@Leo Gura
 

I figured you were underpaid by choice, but I need help aligning why you would make some of these points today then…

If you see the value and doing it to yourself, why don’t you see the value in it with other people?

It does feel like I’m missing something obvious.

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[The Crocodile]

8 minutes ago, SwiftQuill said:

You guys talk shit about the right wing, and claim the left is "too compassionate"? The left is sadistic. It engages in sadistic glee. Especially when it comes to "righeous justice".

Take examples of whenever a politician is arrested, or whenever a school shooter or pedophile gets arrested. Or the guy who killed George Floyd.

The GLEE on their eyes. The primitive black and white morality, the "Omg that son of a bitch is going to rot in jail forever HE SO DESERVES IT" and some even COMPLAIN (as seen in this thread) whenever these horrific crimes don't lead to death sentence.

Like, yeah, criminals are bad? Why are you so satisfied about hearing of this or that criminal experiencing deep suffering? You call that compassion? It's tribalism.

This notion of leftists "caring too much about those poor criminals" is preposterous. Very lacking in self awareness. It's a fluffy, inaccurate characterization of the left.

One of the talking points of the right in America is that the left is too soft on crime.

 

[Leo Gura]

6 minutes ago, The Crocodile said:

He could just die of a heart attack.

He will live another 20 years just to spite the libs.

5 minutes ago, SwiftQuill said:

You guys talk shit about the right wing, and claim the left is "too compassionate"? The left is sadistic. It engages in sadistic glee. Especially when it comes to "righeous justice".

Take examples of whenever a politician is arrested, or whenever a school shooter or pedophile gets arrested. Or the guy who killed George Floyd.

The GLEE on their eyes. The primitive black and white morality, the "Omg that son of a bitch is going to rot in jail forever HE SO DESERVES IT" and some even COMPLAIN (as seen in this thread) whenever these horrific crimes don't lead to death sentence.

Like, yeah, criminals are bad? Why are you so satisfied about hearing of this or that criminal experiencing deep suffering? You call that compassion? It's tribalism.

This notion of leftists "caring too much about those poor criminals" is preposterous. Very lacking in self awareness. It's a fluffy, inaccurate characterization of the left.

The point is, leftists are more empathetic relative to conservatives. 

If you think leftists take sadistic glee, what do you call what rightists do?

5 minutes ago, yetineti said:

@Leo Gura
I figured you were underpaid by choice, but I need help aligning why you would make some of these points today then…

Why are you comparing me to a CEO?

This is like comparing a beautiful angel to a goblin.

[Emerald]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

This is a discussion about how to handle murderers. Disabled people are irrelevant here.

I can't believe you guys force me to explicate this.

Based on your logic, if someone murders a person who produces a lot of relative value (like a CEO)... the murderer should get a greater punishment than someone who murders an able-bodied adult of an average value output.

And therefore, if someone murders an elder or disabled person who provides a lower value output (or extracts value from the collective) then that murderer should get less time than if they were to murder an average value output person.

That's the logical conclusion of the hierarchical legal paradigm you're operating off of... that murder charges should vary depending on the relative value that the murder victim produces for the world.

So... death penalty for killing a CEO... then 40 years for killing an able-bodied able-minded average adult who makes enough money to pay taxes... then maybe just 20 years for murdering someone who's physically or cognitively disabled or elderly, or poor enough to take a lot of government services. And maybe an even lighter sentence for murdering children, who only extract from the collective.

And you may say that that's silly and irrelevant to your point... but that is the logical conclusion of your paradigm around hierarchical relative value that people provide determining how the law is applied to murderers... if you're really being consistent with they way you approach relative valuation of people.

[Extreme Z7]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

Leftism doesn't want to question itself, so instead it would rather accuse me of wanting to execute disabled people.

In the mind of a leftist, the notion of executing murderers does not compute. So the leftist mind needs some way to portray such an idea as belonging to a Nazi or something like that.

Leftist mind: "Oh, you support the death penalty? You must be a secret Nazi who also wants to execute disabled kids. That's the only possibilty here."

Very relatable for me too.

When AI started becoming popular, I told a leftist community (which I am no longer a part of) that anyone who loses their job to AI kinda deserves it.

And then a couple of those morons tried to strawman me as saying that I want those people to die.