They are giving Luigi the death penalty

[Schizophonia]

16 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

I am underpaid.

It's stupid, you could put your forum at 5 or 10 euros per month.
The trolls who are useless will not pay and will leave, and you could free yourself several hundred euros.

Why not also an offer of the same price to post as many images as we want, besides your system does not work because I deleted a lot of images to be able to post others.

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[puporing]

5 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

mind of a leftist, the notion of executing murderers does not compute

I don't think that's true. Clearly Luigi is what you might consider an extreme leftist that decided to take the matter of "dealing justice" to himself. If you had a dialogue with him he would prob tell you that that CEO was the cause of massive deaths because of denial of health care.

You don't have to literally be a murderer to be the cause of deaths.

For example you can have a CEO/management that constantly cost cut safety measures causing deaths.

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[The Crocodile]

4 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

You are stupid

He is.

 

4 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

you could put your forum at 5 or 10 euros per month.
The trolls who are useless will not pay and will leave, and you could free yourself several hundred euros.

Why not also an offer of the same price to post as many images as we want, besides your system does not work because I deleted a lot of images to be able to post others.

You're admitting you would pay for it. Also using euros

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[Schizophonia]

Just now, The Crocodile said:

He is.

I changed in doubt, in French saying "you are stupid" in this context is not violent.

[Leo Gura]

6 minutes ago, Something Funny said:

you've said, but it was something along the lines of you practicing not wishing death even on horrible people like Putin or Trump.

Yes, that's a great spiritual exercise to do. But that does not equate to legal policy.

You can also execute a murderer without wishing him any ill will personally.

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[Something Funny]

Just now, Leo Gura said:

Yes, that's a great spiritual exercise to do. But that does not equate to legal policy.

You can aslo execute a murderer without wishing him any ill will.

I see

 

[Starlight321]

5 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Leftism doesn't want to question itself, so instead it would rather accuse me of wanting to execute disabled people.

In the mind of a leftist, the notion of executing murderers does not compute. So the leftist mind needs some way to portray such an idea as belonging to a Nazi or something like that.

Leftist mind: "Oh, you support the death penalty? You must be a secret Nazi who also wants to execute disabled kids. That's the only possibilty here."

Thank you for your clarification.

 

[yetineti]

35 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

This is such a delusional idea.

This is exactly why I used this thread to push you lefties, to challenge your comfortable assumptions.

I wanted this to be a sort of rude awakening for you, but you are in no mood for that. You would rather waste time trying to debate me.

@Leo Gura
You can keep calling ideas whatever names you want. The fact that you weren’t acknowledging the points and continuously resorting to grandstanding says everything it needs to say.

Nobody is trying to debate you. You do run businesses and you are a fish in water.

You agree why the system is the way it is and then say you are underpaid too. Raise the cost of your life purpose course, if you’re underpaid. That how business works. Did I really need to explain that to you?

I said I do not care about business— and I do not, for business sake. I didn’t say I have no involvement with business.

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[Schizophonia]

It is not normal that we can kill an animal cruelly in a slaughterhouse, but leave alive a murderer, someone who is deeply non-functional.
I have read several times that there are more murders in countries with the death penalty, but that mostly means that the countries with the most murders need the death penalty; Can you play it humanist with a more precarious and dangerous population? You need bigger dissuasive organs, independently of the death penalty as such.

The only two ways to legitimize the speciesist phenomenon mentioned above are:
1) Go into an idealistic spiral; Suggest that we should all be vegan, anti-carceral, give the right not to work at the expense of the state, why not also the right not to work at school or whatever since idealism, ethics is a purely arbitrary and subjective given whose logic does not often go further than "it's not nice" thrown out by Westerners green with egos weakened by modern conditions.

2) Start from the principle that ultimately the only tangible support for ethics is the social contract; And since animals are not part of the social contract outside of the property status of a human, murderers are no longer part of the social contract and no longer have rights.
Then you probably want for your comfort and even to avoid it turning against you, to avoid allowing psychopathic actions such as torture or public executions; It's a balance of common sense.

Finally, the more you drown people's heads in left-wing idealism, the more, because of the obvious consequences, you push people towards the other spectrum of the far right who are often personalities who at least have the benefit of being less gullible in this sector because of their personal history and their personality in general.
These same people also automatically will have no problem using these loopholes to sneak into power.

If the actors of the left or the center were much more rational, there would be no far right.
 

[Leo Gura]

Notice that you can run a reductio ad absurdum argument against leftists:

If death penalty is wrong because it is cruel, then all forms of punishment should be abolished because they are also cruel. So no one should ever be punished for anything they do because we don't want to make anyone feel bad. If you don't have infinite compassion and kindness for every misdeed you are just a cruel Nazi.

[The Crocodile]

Just now, Leo Gura said:

Notice that you can run a reductio ad absurdum argument against leftists:

If death penalty is wrong because it is cruel, then all forms of punishment should be abolished because they are also cruel. So no one should ever be punished for anything they do because we don't want to make anyone feel bad. If you don't have infinite compassion and kindness for every misdeed you are just a cruel Nazi.

Yes, it's a perfectly legitimate perspective.

Unconditional benevolence.

[puporing]

It's not my position that all forms of punishment should be abolished. In Canada first degree murder carries maximum 25 year sentencing. To me that is a substantial loss of life/mobility.

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[The Crocodile]

If we experimented with 5-MeO-DMT or various other drugs or science experiments or even meditation experiments on prisoners.

25 years is a long time that could be spent meditating, instead of just doing nothing.

[Leo Gura]

@yetineti The point is that before you can meaningfully criticize business you must understand why it works as it does. Otherwise you end up like a communist who criticizes capitalism in delusional ways. There is a deep intelligence to how business is structured. A much higher intelligence than leftism.

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[yetineti]

33 minutes ago, puporing said:

This is not a good argument, you are just feeding the other side by also being ignorant about the subject.

@puporing

You’re calling it ignorance, but I see it as the exact opposite. People who get too attached to business—who treat it like a personal identity or a belief system—are the ones who blind themselves. They start defending inefficiencies, justifying flaws, and making excuses for systems that don’t serve them. I don’t have that problem because I’m not emotionally invested in it. I engage with business, I learn about it, and I understand it, but I don’t worship it. That’s exactly why I can see it for what it is, without bias or illusion. If anything, that makes my understanding clearer than someone who’s too deep in it to question it objectively.

[puporing]

@yetineti I'm just saying if you are trying to teach something, it's just going to go over someone's head, because currently our system does rely on commerce. 

I'm not saying that's the only "survival option" but I'm saying you will not get anywhere with the masses (at this time) by trying to tell them something that is just too beyond what they can intellectually grasp.

All I'm saying is that, I am aware of the consciousness of the masses and I do not teach something that is too far beyond the average/above average person. Though I understand if that is what you feel like your role is at this time.

For example it is easier for the average person to grasp the move towards less profit motive types of businesses. Than to tell them to try to abolish profit driving altogehter.

Telling someone who is clearly not ready for more is going to backfire and cause them to learn nothing and just ignore you.

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[yetineti]

@Leo Gura

Okay lol? Fuck leftism. You want to explain gravity to me too? Or maybe how the primary colors mix? No, maybe you could just take what I am saying at face value instead of being so obviously dishonest and dismissive. I have more involvement in business than you could possibly know. You’re just banking that I don’t. 

 

You operate businesses. You love doing that. You do not think you are underpaid. You know how business works too.

My other points remain.

[yetineti]

@puporing

Yeah that makes sense but considering I was messaging Leo Gura— I wouldn’t lump him in the masses. He is smart enough to know care from understanding. It was his choice to ignore it.

If I make a course it’d be framed like how you framed it.

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[puporing]

Yeah but his take on CEOs and corporations is very mainstream kind of take to me.. so.. Idk. I just mean that this is the same kind of rhetoric you hear almost everywhere. That we just have to accept that CEOs/COOs are worth something like 500x more than other people for instance. I don't think this is a reconcilable thing if your mind fundamentally just belive this is true.

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[Something Funny]

16 minutes ago, yetineti said:

because I’m not emotionally invested in it.

You do seem to be emotionally invested in it though