They are giving Luigi the death penalty

[Leo Gura]

7 minutes ago, Emerald said:

Death is not a punishment. 

To me it's not a punishment, it's a solution. A clean solution to the very annoying problem of juggling drains on society. If you have a cancer cell, you kill it so it stops leeching off the healthy organs.

Some of you lefties are not considering how annoying it is to constantly have to babysit bad actors. It's a very ugly job. And you expect someone else to do it for you for 50 years while you go out and have your fun.

If you had to babysit and feed a psychopath for 50 years, maybe you'd understand why death is appropriate.

Edited 19 hours ago by Leo Gura

[yetineti]

@Leo Gura

Treating people like cancer cells is a slippery slope. Who decides who’s a “bad actor”? History proves this kind of thinking leads to abuse. If it’s just an “ugly job,” would you do it yourself, or is this just theory?

Moderating a website is not akin to this. Luigi is not a psychopath.

 

Edited 19 hours ago by yetineti

[Leo Gura]

19 minutes ago, yetineti said:

@Leo Gura

A realtor getting 5% doesn’t justify CEO pay—it just points to another broken system. If real-estate commissions are outdated and unearned, why use them as a defense? That’s not an argument, just pointing at another flaw.

It's not about realtors, it's about you not understanding that high performance people demand commision for their work. That you do not understand this aspect of business is troublesome.

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If a CEO job requires insane pay just to attract candidates, maybe the role itself is the problem.

It's not insane pay. It's insane only in your mind because you generate so little value in the world.

Pay is relative to what you build. If you shit out diamonds then $10M salary is underpayment.

You are like a mouse complaining that the elephant eats so much.

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Why concentrate that much power in one person? 

Again, you demonstrate a total lack of awareness of how business works and why CEOs exist at all.

First learn business. Then criticize.

Go run a company with 10,000 people and see what is necessary to make that work.

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If a system is flawed, questioning it isn’t “cope.” It’s rational.

What's irrational is criticizing a system you don't yet understand.

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[Elliott]

It objectifies people, the worst should be life in prison or exile, with the option of assisted suicide, if human life is sacred then human life is sacred.

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[Leo Gura]

3 minutes ago, yetineti said:

@Leo Gura

Treating people like cancer cells is a slippery slope.

Welcome to the water park.

3 minutes ago, yetineti said:

Who decides who’s a “bad actor”?

Laws, courts, juries, and judges.

3 minutes ago, yetineti said:

History proves this kind of thinking leads to abuse.

Crime is the abuse.

[fabger]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

If you are responaible for handling tens of billions of dollars, $500k/mo may not be as unreasonable as you think.

People do not comprehend the enormous sums of value that CEOs influence.

When a real estate agent sells a $5M house, she gets 5%.

How much should a CEO get if he closes a $10B deal?

The amount of money that CEOs earn as a percentage of the amount of money that multinational corporations make each quarter is actually tiny.

Okay let's try this again. I was trying to point out the insane inequality regarding wealth distribution. I work at a Fortune 500 and ,,my'' CEO makes around 36 million a year, including compensation. Even if survival is is heavily involved I find this highly questionable. And I don't have the audacity to want equal pay for all.

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

Are they? Or is this just leftist cope?

 

It is the profession with the highest psycho rate. I'm too lazy to link the study so sorry lol.

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[PurpleTree]

16 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

To me it's not a punishment, it's a solution. A clean solution to the very annoying problem of juggling drains on society.

Aren’t old poor people and people with disabilities a drain on society?

[Emerald]

35 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

To me it's not a punishment. It's simply a solution. A clean solution to the very annoying problem of juggling drains on society. If you have a cancer cell, you kill it so it stop leeching off the healthy organs.

This works in less developed societal structures... like villages and tribes.

If some village idiot is posing a threat to the safety of the tribe, there are no resources to deal with them any other way but to leave them to the bears.

But in a more developed societal context where we do have the infrastructure for higher expressions of justice, the death penalty is just a way to give the peanut gallery a sense of satisfaction that someone got their come-up-ence.

And that's because our collective understanding of crime and justice is so low and rudimentary... and wrapped up in the ideas of punishment and revenge. And this plays a major role in metastasizing the cancer of criminality in ways that most people don't recognize.

It's just another intonation of the public executions in Medieval times where everyone would bring the kids out to enjoy.

Be careful not to succumb to the devilry of the status quo, just because you're trying to manage perceptions of "laxity" among certain swaths of the population.

Also, in relations to your other point about CEOs providing more relative value than others...

All people are regarded as equal under the law in a just system. 

And if you actually want a just system that isn't run off of corruption and elitism, you can't be advocating for a system that treats the murder of a CEO as different than the murder of anyone else.... even if that CEO is ostensibly producing more value....

(though that one's arguable in this case because healthcare CEOs are also the head of an unnecessary for-profit system that would better serve the average person if that private system was abolished in favor of socialized medicine like most other places in the developed world have. So, we also have to recognize that for-profit healthcare also extracts value from people and society at large... which may mitigate the net value of that system and the net value of that CEOs role.)

If the justice system were truly just, it would see people indifferently through the eyes of existence itself... and not on the level of relative doings and subjective relative valuings.

You can have an elitist understanding of the world prevailing... or you can have justice. You can't have both.

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[Leo Gura]

2 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

Aren’t old poor people and people with disabilities a drain on society?

A childish comparison. Use your head.

[Leo Gura]

8 minutes ago, fabger said:

And I don't have the audacity to want equal pay for all.

Your lack of audacity is why you get paid so little.

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It is the profession with the highest psycho rate. I'm too lazy to link the study so sorry lol.

That has nothing to do with your original claim. You are distorting reality.

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[puporing]

4 minutes ago, fabger said:

the profession with the highest psycho rate

That kind of position attracts psychos basically. Same with most high pay positions, including politicians.

The non psychos are more commonly found running small businesses. But then the oligarchs point to small businesses as failures compared to these CEOs who just got very good at structuring a system and colluding with each other and corrupt politicians to leech massive wealth from the people. And turns around and says it's actually that they worked 1000x times harder, which is a lie. Nobody can work that much harder or smarter. 

So basically the nonpsycho small business owners can't argue with these guys because they are fundamentally oriented differently and have no desire for that kind of pay or power over masses of people in the first place.

[Elliott]

6 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

Aren’t old poor people and people with disabilities a drain on society?

 

3 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

A childish comparison. Use your head.

Isn't psychopathy a disability?

[yetineti]

@Leo Gura 

Yeah, I’m willing to address my bias. Why haven’t you addressed yours?

Care to engage honestly?

You’re not just making assumptions about me—you do this to everyone. Instead of engaging with arguments, you shut them down with condescension and deflection. Someone brings up a valid comparison, and you call it “childish.” Someone questions CEO pay, and you tell them they don’t understand business. Someone mentions psychopathy rates, and you call them “distorted in reality.” That’s not reasoning, that’s dodging.

You assume what people earn, what they know, and how much “audacity” they have. But how do you know? You don’t. You just assert. Ironically, you criticize people for speaking from ignorance while making blind assumptions yourself. An argument stands on its own, not on personal credentials.

And if we’re talking about who does what, you run a few things yourself. No surprise you’d defend a system that benefits you. But if your only argument is “this is how it works,” then you’re not making a case—you’re just defending the status quo by telling people they don’t understand how it exists. But that’s not the point. We’re not just talking about how something exists, we’re questioning whether it should. Captain Obvious.

And the hypocrisy? It’s unreal. You dismiss others as ignorant while assuming things about them with zero basis. You posture as if you’re above bias while being completely entrenched in it. You tell people to understand a system before critiquing it, while your own defense boils down to “this is the way it is.” That’s exactly what you’ve been doing.

You’re not being intelligent. You’re posturing—clinging to authority, dismissing dissent, and avoiding real engagement. What you’re doing isn’t deep, rational, or enlightened. It’s hollow.

 

 

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[Emerald]

1 minute ago, Leo Gura said:

A childish comparison. Use your head.

It's a fair question to ask to probe at your worldview. That's why a few people have approached you with that question.

You did say before that some people are more valuable than others because of what they produce for the collective. And that the law should reflect that hierarchical understanding of human value.

And many disabled people and old people aren't able to provide a lot of value to the collective. They might actually need to extract value from the collective.

So, you either believe that disabled people and elders are less valuable than the average person... or the hierarchical understanding of your worldview is inconsistent and you haven't fully thought it through.

It has to be one or the other.

[PurpleTree]

13 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

A childish comparison. Use your head.

Hitler thought those people are a drain on society that’s why he concentration camped them.

https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/the-murder-of-people-with-disabilities

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[fabger]

40 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Your lack of audacity is why you get paid so little.

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Got it. Let's go on that Dan Pena grindset, make some trillions

[Nemra]

@PurpleTree, but a murderer is different than a disabled person.

Also, a murderer has to be physically in shape to do what he/she has to do and have an intention to harm someone.

I think acts like murder are fair as long as the person has caused more harm than the murderer, and the murderer has no other options to change the situation. But even if it's justified, the act itself will have a toll on the murderer.

Also, I don't think we would like it if people killed each other for not liking what the other does, as it'll make the world less safe and people will be more fearful.

[yetineti]

2 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

First learn business. Then criticize.

This quote is the fundamental difference in our takes here, I realized.

I do not care about business. And for that reason, I will inherently understand it better than you.

You’re a fish in water, talking about elephants and mice.

Edited 17 hours ago by yetineti

[Something Funny]

@fabger Why does it matter to you how companies handle their finances? This shouldn't matter as long as there is no tax evasion or other illegal practices.

Most companies goal is to make profits for shareholders and to be as efficient as possible. So even if they stopped paying millions to CEOs and instead used AI that does CEO's work for free, those extra money still wouldn't go to you.

If you think that your company is paying you unfairly, you should leave them and work elsewhere or create your own company, that treats ordinary workers better. Otherwise, you are enabling them by providing them with cheap, underpaid labour.

[Something Funny]

1 hour ago, fabger said:

Got it. Let's go on that Dan Pena grindset, make some trillions

But it's true. Most people who make a lot of money are not somehow supremely intelligent, they are just really cutthroat/bold/shameless/audacious.