They are giving Luigi the death penalty

[Vibes]

@Leo Gura You are a god-damn genius! 

[Inliytened1]

2 minutes ago, SwiftQuill said:

What does that have to do with anything? Leftism doesn't only exist in the US.

And people here, who are not European, like Leo, do seem extremely confident about European politics. So I assume your comment applies to them as well?

Guys don't bother talking about European politics if you're not from Europe. Thanks.

Sample #57111503 of the genetic fallacy.

I'm just giving you shit dude lighten up.  You're the one who got all defensive.  I asked you because I wanted your opinion not to "getcha"

[Frylock]

So instead of death penalty, we just let them rot away in a prison until they're 75?

The death penalty is the most mercy that you can give someone who is deeply, mentally and psychotically flawed that would commit premeditated cold blooded murder.

Circle of life moves on.

[Inliytened1]

3 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

It's just how survival works.

This doesn't mean a CEO's life is worth more morally. But it is worth more in terms of survival, and survival function is very important to consider in matters of politics because it is predictive of how politics unfolds.

You can act like you are above survival, but you are not. And certainly politics is not.

My aim is not to be moral or good or whatever, it's simply to accurately predict how society functions. In order to do that I must understand that a CEO has more survival value than a drug addict. It's nothing personal.

This isnt about your aim its about your view or your take.  If you didn't want to have a horce in the race then why didn't you say so when you said you felt like Luigi should die because the CEO was some rich guy.  By the way  playing the survival card doesn't get you past corruption.   Survival is corruption in most cases.  There are very few instances where survival can be had without corruption.  And those times should be cherished

 

Edited yesterday at 02:51 AM by Inliytened1

[Elliott]

29 minutes ago, Frylock said:

So instead of death penalty, we just let them rot away in a prison until they're 75?

The death penalty is the most mercy that you can give someone who is deeply, mentally and psychotically flawed that would commit premeditated cold blooded murder.

Circle of life moves on.

Biden commuted death sentences and only one guy wanted to stay on death row, prison isn't as bad as it's made out to be.

Not to mention the amount of exonerated death row inmates exceeds the number of murders committed by the worst mass murderers. How can you continually forgive a system that kills wrongfully convicted inmates, but not allow one time murderers to spend their life behind bars, society has collectively killed innocent people with this system and it's granted full forgiveness for mass murder. If that doesn't spread lawlessness then nothing does, this causes more crime.

Edited yesterday at 03:09 AM by Elliott

[SwiftQuill]

30 minutes ago, Elliott said:

Prison isn't as bad as it's made out to be.

This might be the wrongest statement in this entire thread. Which has tough competition, with Leo's comments.

I suggest you watch Larry Lawton's YT channel. Or one of the hundreds of prison documentaries on YouTube. USA prisons are horrific. Inhumane.

You can only say "Prison isn't as bad as it seems" if you are talking about some evolved European country. Because elsewhere, including in the USA, I guarantee you prison is awful. Worse than most people imagine.

The exception might be some small county jail for minimum security - a camp.

[Breathe]

Just now, aurum said:

Your understanding should also include that it’s still toxic.

That's just an interpretation of the facts

[aurum]

7 minutes ago, Breathe said:

That's just an interpretation of the facts

Your perspective is also just an interpretation.

But the difference is that my interpretation includes yours, and yours doesn't include mine.

[Breathe]

All I can really say is that I understand why someone would act the way that he did. I don't claim to be right or know what's best. We're both have biases and I see nothing wrong with that

[Leo Gura]

All your interpretations are belong to us!

[Yimpa]

[Leo Gura]

15 hours ago, Yimpa said:

Death penalty!

Edited 15 hours ago by Leo Gura

[Elliott]

3 hours ago, SwiftQuill said:

This might be the wrongest statement in this entire thread. Which has tough competition, with Leo's comments.

I suggest you watch Larry Lawton's YT channel. Or one of the hundreds of prison documentaries on YouTube. USA prisons are horrific. Inhumane.

You can only say "Prison isn't as bad as it seems" if you are talking about some evolved European country. Because elsewhere, including in the USA, I guarantee you prison is awful. Worse than most people imagine.

The exception might be some small county jail for minimum security - a camp.

Prison is commonly known to be MUCH better than county jails.

[Monomachus]

12 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Frankly, it might appease some of these fascistic trends we see across Europe.

I think really wise politics requires that we throw some red meat to the right-wing base to keep them from going ape-shit.

You have to manage the vibes so that things don't feel too lax, otherwise the crowd will scapegoat the progressives. It's just how politics works. It's not fair or true, but voters are zombies.

Appreciate these really strong insights.

 

[fabger]

@Leo Gura

,,CEOs have a higher responsibility for serving shareholders and making companies function"

 

No amount of responsibility should allow you to make 500 k $ a month. Some CEOs make 100s or even 1000s more than a few decades ago. This in unacceptable.

Especially if they ruin lives in the process. Most CEOs are psychos anyway

Edited 23 hours ago by fabger

[Elliott]

52 minutes ago, fabger said:

@Leo Gura

,,CEOs have a higher responsibility for serving shareholders and making companies function"

 

No amount of responsibility should allow you to make 500 k $ a month. Some CEOs make 100s or even 1000s more than a few decades ago. This in unacceptable.

Especially if they ruin lives in the process. Most CEOs are psychos anyway

Money isn't life and there's no finite amount of wealth, his wealth does not keep poor people poor.

Edited 22 hours ago by Elliott

[Leo Gura]

2 hours ago, fabger said:

@Leo Gura

No amount of responsibility should allow you to make 500 k $ a month.

If you are responaible for handling tens of billions of dollars, $500k/mo may not be as unreasonable as you think.

People do not comprehend the enormous sums of value that CEOs influence.

When a real estate agent sells a $5M house, she gets 5%.

How much should a CEO get if he closes a $10B deal?

The amount of money that CEOs earn as a percentage of the amount of money that multinational corporations make each quarter is actually tiny.

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Most CEOs are psychos anyway

Are they? Or is this just leftist cope?

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Question all your leftist dogmas.

Edited 21 hours ago by Leo Gura

[_Archangel_]

If you guys really think that killing an important CEO is somewhat justified, then You should be glad Mangione is getting the DP,
as this would be the best epilogue for his shock philosophy - I think that in his mind, he would want to die like a martyr to see his point proved.

[yetineti]

@Leo Gura

A realtor getting 5% doesn’t justify CEO pay—it just points to another broken system. If real-estate commissions are outdated and unearned, why use them as a defense? That’s not an argument, just pointing at another flaw.

If a CEO job requires insane pay just to attract candidates, maybe the role itself is the problem. Why concentrate that much power in one person? If a company thrives, it’s usually due to market forces and collective effort, not just the CEO. Performance-based pay sounds fine in theory, but in practice, it’s often disconnected from actual value creation.

If a system is flawed, questioning it isn’t “cope.” It’s rational.

Aren’t you a CEO of sorts yourself or am I mistaken?

Edited 20 hours ago by yetineti

[Emerald]

22 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

I don't buy that.

Sounds like a very dubious claim.

And the point is not deterance. The point is justice and a culture of strictness and consequence rather than laxness.

Laxness itself is the crime.

Laxness on murderers eventually leads to laxness on corruption, laxness on white collar crime, laxness on guys like Trump. It's a culture of laxness which allows corruption to run amok.

The presence of the death penalty is a good litmus test for how corrupt a given justice system is because the paradigm that the death penalty operates off of is incompatible with justice.

Death is not a punishment. 

And any society that regards death as a punishment will try to cling to life-everlasting... which corrupts the spirit.

And beyond that, the whole concept of a justice system based around the idea of punishment is quite ineffective if the goal is actual justice.

If you try to chase two rabbits, you catch none. And if you're chasing the rabbit of punishment... you cannot ever catch the rabbit of justice.

Contemplate into what justice ACTUALLY is and why imbuing the justice system with the paradigm of punishment works in opposition to it.

I'm sure you will see this as "laxity", but understand that you don't need to be lax to shift out of our paradigmatic distortions around the concept of punishment-based justice and the logic behind the death penalty.

In fact, justice should be strict as it is about drawing lines in the sand to help society operate in a safe and harmonious way. And lines in the sand should be sharp.

But the punishment-based paradigms that we currently operate off of regarding justice actually creates more unsafely and more disharmony because we're more focused on punishing evil-doers for our own sense of revenge-based satisfaction than we are on creating systems that actually serve the outcomes of justice... a safe and harmonious society.