They are giving Luigi the death penalty

[Schizophonia]

Just now, PurpleTree said:

Then go live in a country with death penalty maybe? 

Most of the most powerful countries (United States, Russia, China, India, Japan...) have the death penalty + it is a sophism not an argument.

I am speaking from an ethical point of view.

[Basman]

America and Trump in particular seems to have this obsession with the death penalty. Its outdated and actually costs more than just putting people in prison due to greater litigation processes. And you statistically will end up killing people who are categorically innocent of their charges.

Is America the least developed first world country in the world? Its so barbaric in so many ways. How do you even get a situation where healthcare leads to murder in the first place. Then the death penalty for the shooter while school shooters are not treated nearly as harsh. Its blatantly oligarchical.

Edited Sunday at 05:14 PM by Basman

[Schizophonia]

3 minutes ago, MarkKol said:

As much as I would like some of these people dead and gone, you absolutely can't do that. That murder was a net negative even though the guy might've fully deserved it

He killed somebody, they can't let him free under any circumstances, otherwise, our justice system is an incompetent mess.

No the net negative is to support useless dangerous lunatics.

[PurpleTree]

1 minute ago, Schizophonia said:

Most of the most powerful countries (United States, Russia, China, India, Japan...) have the death penalty + it is a sophism not an argument.

I am speaking from an ethical point of view.

Yea good luck in China and Saudi Arabia.

 

[MarkKol]

1 minute ago, Schizophonia said:

No the net negative is to support useless dangerous lunatics.

There is a huge difference between not supporting him and killing him, the healthcare system is corrupt, does that justify killing every or any healthcare executives or elites? nope.

[integral]

We want to avoid the rich and powerful from using death.

They are so scared of what Luige did that they are reintroducing the death penalty.

Its absurd.

Killing rich people makes them GRIP has hard as possible and turns all of society into brutal dictatorship.

This is why they need to be convinced the slow and gentle way, like a mother caressing there baby to stop crying.

There is nothing "wrong" about killing corrupt people, it just wont end well for anyone in the long term.

Its like slapping a king holding a gun, eventually he will shot. 

[Elliott]

3 minutes ago, integral said:

We want to avoid the rich and powerful from using death.

They are so scared of what Luige did that they are reintroducing the death penalty.

Its absurd.

Killing rich people makes them GRIP has hard as possible and turns all of society into brutal dictatorship.

This is why they need to be convinced the slow and gentle way, like a mother caressing there baby to stop crying.

There is nothing "wrong" about killing corrupt people, it just wont end well for anyone in the long term.

Its like slapping a king holding a gun, eventually he will shot. 

There's no convincing them, just quit buying from them.

[Leo Gura]

I don't have a problem with death penalty for assassination or mass shootings with solid video evidence. It's a fair punishment.

Edited Sunday at 05:56 PM by Leo Gura

[PurpleTree]

23 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

I don't have a problem with death penalty for assassination or mass shootings with solid video evidence. It's a fair punishment.

To me it’s not about fair or not fair.

It imo lowers us, our consciousness, whatever to a lower level when we kill unarmed people as a society imo. It makes us more vicious and backwards. Basically we’re hurting ourselves.

Does it help the US to be the only western country with capital punishment? Nope it’s more violent and has more people in prison than the rest of the west it’s achieved nothing.

Edited Sunday at 06:19 PM by PurpleTree

[Leo Gura]

19 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

It imo lowers us, our consciousness

I don't see that.

Shooting a mass shooter in the middle of his crime doesn't lower us. Neither does shooting him after a fair trial. Life is harsh and serious crime has serious stakes.

People need to be more aware of the serious stakes for toxic behavior. Coddling a murderer does not serve consciousness.

Edited Sunday at 06:37 PM by Leo Gura

[PurpleTree]

Just now, Leo Gura said:

I don't see that.

Shooting a mass shooter in the middle of hia crime doesn't lower us. Neither does shooting him after a fair trial. Life is harsh and serious crimes has serious stakes.

That’s what got you Trump elected and the fall of democracy imo.

[Leo Gura]

1 minute ago, PurpleTree said:

That’s what got you Trump elected and the fall of democracy imo.

No.

Trump is the result of laxness, not strictness.

Edited Sunday at 06:38 PM by Leo Gura

[PurpleTree]

An eye for an eye until the world is blind it’s great.

[Leo Gura]

Coddling murderers is not some great moral achievement.

Millions of people die each year needlessly. Focus your consciousness on them, not on the obvious psychopaths.

Don't forget that we have finite resources and murderers don't deserve a priority to them.

Edited Sunday at 06:51 PM by Leo Gura

[PurpleTree]

7 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Coddling murderers is not some great moral achievement.

Millions of people die each year needlessly. Focus your consciousness on them, not on the obvious psychopaths.

Don't forget that we have finite resources and murderers don't deserve a priority to them.

Ok let’s kill old people and r words too. They’re just taking our lovely finite resources.

[Leo Gura]

@PurpleTree It would be nice if you didn't resort to such cheap strawman arguments with me.

[Etherial Cat]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

I don't have a problem with death penalty for assassination or mass shootings with solid video evidence. It's a fair punishment.

 

Death penalty increases murder rates in a society. 

https://deathpenaltyinfo.org/policy-issues/policy/deterrence

https://www.amnesty.org/fr/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/act500062008en.pdf

[PurpleTree]

To me it’s just that if someone supports killing prisoners it’s hard for me to take almost anything else they say seriously because it seems so backwards and ancient to me.

[Leo Gura]

6 minutes ago, Etherial Cat said:

Death penalty increases murder rates in a society. 

I don't buy that.

Sounds like a very dubious claim.

And the point is not deterance. The point is justice and a culture of strictness and consequence rather than laxness.

Laxness itself is the crime.

Laxness on murderers eventually leads to laxness on corruption, laxness on white collar crime, laxness on guys like Trump. It's a culture of laxness which allows corruption to run amok.

Edited Sunday at 07:18 PM by Leo Gura

[Leo Gura]

4 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

because it seems so backwards and ancient to me.

Maybe the issue is that you're assuming its backwards when it isn't.