30 days in, all things considered, would u leave US if you had 2nd citizenship in EU?

[oldhandle]

I'm curious if you think the state of things are bad enough that if it were a matter of just getting on a plane and settling in a European country, you would do that, or do you still think, in light of the last 30 days, the USA is the better choice still for you personally?

[Raze]

If I had a remote job I’d just go where the cost of living was cheapest 

[Joshe]

If you have a remote job or 10k, you could survive dirt cheap in Bali indonesia. You could get by on $600/mo if you had to. A 2k/mo budget would be luxurious. 

You can stay in Bali for 6 months before you have to leave but then you can just hop to another island for a month and go back again when your visa renews. 

If you were frugal, 10-15k could probably keep you up for 2 years in Bali. I think It's actually a good idea for anyone who wants to drop everything and just work on growing their business full-time for a couple of years. Probably not for everyone though. You'd be roughing it relative to U.S standards. 

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I wouldn't leave the US just yet if all you're worried about is Trump. At least not at this point. 

Edited February 21 by Joshe

[oldhandle]

18 minutes ago, Joshe said:

If you have a remote job or 10k, you could survive dirt cheap in Bali indonesia. You could get by on $600/mo if you had to. A 2k/mo budget would be luxurious. 

You can stay in Bali for 6 months before you have to leave but then you can just hop to another island for a month and go back again when your visa renews. 

If you were frugal, 10-15k could probably keep you up for 2 years in Bali. I think It's actually a good idea for anyone who wants to drop everything and just work on growing their business full-time for a couple of years. Probably not for everyone though. You'd be roughing it relative to U.S standards. 

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I wouldn't leave the US just yet if all you're worried about is Trump. At least not at this point. 

Do you know this from experience?

[Basman]

Are you cool with having half your paycheck swiped by the government and generally higher cost of living? Americans complain a lot about the price of eggs, or so I've heard, but here in Denmark we pay about the same for eggs and its just normal.

Northern-Europe at least is one of the best places on earth but there are some drawbacks that your going to feel if you start living here, especially if you are used to a tax rate around 25%-ish and warmer people. Things are a lot more institutionalized here and there is less of an entrepreneurial spirit compared to the US.

[Elliott]

No. I like a fight though, and would never be in any sense of harm's way from Republican politics.

I had thought of moving prior to Trump for cultural reasons, but after seeing the concern from Europeans I feel it very important for me to stay here and fight and vote. I feel my vote is even more important now seeing how so many non-americans are concerned about our politics, I vote for them too. I will always be helping campaigns, but I might even run for senator when I'm older.

You can find great communities in the states too, so many great people here. I will make sure my children are familiar with Europe though, and know their options of moving there. I love Europe, I would have moved to France.

Edited February 21 by Elliott

[Joshe]

1 hour ago, oldhandle said:

Do you know this from experience?

No, I was once considering it though and did some research. I’ve talked to someone who has done it and there are many vloggers on YouTube showing the a day in the life or a month in the life of this lifestyle. I picked the idea up from an obscure podcast about a decade ago. They were talking about selling their car and using the money to support them in Southeast Asia while they went full-throttle on their business. 

[oldhandle]

10 hours ago, Basman said:

Are you cool with having half your paycheck swiped by the government and generally higher cost of living? Americans complain a lot about the price of eggs, or so I've heard, but here in Denmark we pay about the same for eggs and its just normal.

Northern-Europe at least is one of the best places on earth but there are some drawbacks that your going to feel if you start living here, especially if you are used to a tax rate around 25%-ish and warmer people. Things are a lot more institutionalized here and there is less of an entrepreneurial spirit compared to the US.

They're 2.29USD here in Italy and my mom said they're 8.00 back in California and that not all stores have them at all.
 

9 hours ago, Elliott said:

No. I like a fight though, and would never be in any sense of harm's way from Republican politics.

I had thought of moving prior to Trump for cultural reasons, but after seeing the concern from Europeans I feel it very important for me to stay here and fight and vote. I feel my vote is even more important now seeing how so many non-americans are concerned about our politics, I vote for them too. I will always be helping campaigns, but I might even run for senator when I'm older.

You can find great communities in the states too, so many great people here. I will make sure my children are familiar with Europe though, and know their options of moving there. I love Europe, I would have moved to France.

But I can still vote from Italy, I've been living here for 2.5 years and I voted for Kamala.

[Basman]

7 minutes ago, oldhandle said:

They're 2.29USD here in Italy and my mom said they're 8.00 back in California and that not all stores have them at all.

There's some kind of disease ravaging the American chicken population I believe. Other countries avoided this issue because they regulate their industry better.

[oldhandle]

Are most users on this forum American?