🚨 A Dictatorial Coup Is Taking Place Within The United States Right Now 🚨

[PurpleTree]

1 minute ago, Raze said:

If trump actually stops the war in Ukraine and maintains the ceasefire in Gaza the democrats are going to look really really bad.

The problem is not the ceasefire in Ukraine. The problem is what does Ukraine have to give up? Will Russia collect and rearm itself in years not months. Will there be a bigger war because of appeasement to Putin. Etc. It’s complex and you can’t judge it on a ceasefire.

 

 

 

 

 

[Inliytened1]

4 hours ago, PurpleTree said:

The problem is not the ceasefire in Ukraine. The problem is what does Ukraine have to give up? Will Russia collect and rearm itself in years not months. Will there be a bigger war because of appeasement to Putin. Etc. It’s complex and you can’t judge it on a ceasefire.

 

You have to start somewhere though and it's better than people dying in the interrum.  But yes if it's a ceasefire that's one sided it could be indication of worse things to come so I think it has to be in good faith.   If it's not in good faith it could crumble again later.   

Edited Thursday at 04:47 PM by Inliytened1

[Lyubov]

1 hour ago, Inliytened1 said:

You have to start somewhere though and it's better than people dying in the interrum.  But yes if it's a ceasefire that's one sided it could be indication of worse things to come so I think it has to be in good faith.   If it's not in good faith it could crumble again later.   

This is the problem with Republicans. They are completely incapable of long term systems thinking, they are stupid undeveloped people. “You have to start somewhere” so short term political wins is better than a near certain clash between Europe and Russia in 5 years from now? It’s not in good faith. What evidence is there anything about this conflict coming from Trump or Putin that they are compromising in good faith? 

[DocWatts]

Getting a lot of 'Nazi Germany had to invade Poland to defend itself' vibes from the people here defending Trump's fascist regime.

I'd say it was disappointing if that wasn't the reason I took a long hiatus from the Politics subforum in the first place. 

I'd encourage everyone else to find a sustainable form of civic engagement beyond just posting on Forums and social media in the upcoming weeks and months.

(Note that doom scrolling is not a valid form of civic engagement).

Find a group like 50501 or a local chapter or Indivisible to connect with. Don't waste your time trying to 'save' MAGA Cultists from their delusions - all the 'reasonable' ones have left by this point.

Now's the time where we build the infrastructure for when conditions get much worse, and the streets become flooded with angry, desperate people. Should that happen, it would be much better if there's an organized nonviolent civil resistance to absorb these folks, and keep the resistance nonviolent. (Note that nonviolent doesn't mean 'nonconfrontational'. It means leveraging the fact that nonviolent civil resistance is much more strategically effective in resisting authoritarianism than violent insurrection).

Edited Thursday at 10:26 PM by DocWatts

[Leo Gura]

Any war can be ended by just one side surrendering.

This idea people have that if Trump just ends the war by any means it will be great, is absurd, ignorant, and dangerous.

There is a big difference between finding a genuine resolution to the conflict vs just producing a bandaid solution or giving one side everything it wants. Trump is a master at fake deals. A fake deal is not the same thing as genuine resolution or justice.

I could negotiate a peace deal between you and your daughter's rapist by giving him the right to rape her once a month for a lifetime, and you can't say anything or else we kill your son. What a deal! This is Trump-style deal-making.

Edited Thursday at 10:46 PM by Leo Gura

[Karmadhi]

3 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Any war can be ended by just one side surrendering.

This idea people have that if Trump just ends the war by any means it will be great, is absurd, ignorant, and dangerous.

There is a big difference between finding a genuine resolution to the conflict vs just producing a bandaid solution or giving one side everything it wants. Trump is a master at fake deals. A fake deal is not the same thing as genuine resolution or justice.

I could negotiate a peace deal between you and your daughter's rapist by giving him the right to rape her once a month for a lifetime, and you can't say anything or else we kill your son. What a deal! This is Trump-style deal-making.

Keep in mind Russia wants all of Novorussia which is 40% of Ukraine, currently they have around 20%.

If Russia settles only for what it has it is indeed a compromise.

They want Odessa, Kharkiv etc.

[Leo Gura]

19 minutes ago, Karmadhi said:

Keep in mind Russia wants all of Novorussia which is 40% of Ukraine, currently they have around 20%.

If Russia settles only for what it has it is indeed a compromise.

They want Odessa, Kharkiv etc.

Keep in mind that Trump is ready to give it to them, and then some.

Edited Friday at 02:42 AM by Leo Gura

[Breakingthewall]

It's not that Trump is giving Ukraine to Russia, it's that Russia has won the war and is advancing faster and faster, it's something that is avoided to mention. The blinken option would be to lower the recruitment age to 18 and give Ukraine long-range missiles. For what? In the end the result would be the same with much more destruction.

The Europeans are not going to go there to fight even if Macron threatens to do so, so Trump pretends to give Ukraine to Russia when Russia already has it.

[zazen]

Which side has been the one not seeking a genuine peace?

On 05/03/2025 at 8:02 AM, zazen said:

If Putins goal has always been restoring the USSR, why would he bother trying to negotiate a security deal first?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/December_2021_Russian_ultimatum_to_NATO
 

He offered a proposal to NATO in December 2021, of which the core demand (neutrality) was rejected in January 2022, which then precipitated the invasion in February 2022.

Biden didn't engage directly with Russia for 3 years. Zelensky outright banned negotiations by decree. The Istanbul deal was torpedoed after US lapdog Boris Johnson met Zelesnky. No one even mentions the Nord Stream blow up.

As for Trump, there seems to be a larger game being played that lends this to being disingenuous. It seems they’re trying to posture as anti-war (which domestically people are sick of) but are gearing up for one with China. They understand their position isn't currently strong and wouldn't be in confronting both Russia and China, so are off setting the costs and burden to their European counterparts. They also understand domestic sentiment around war being at an all time low, so need to repackage how its sold or have others (proxies) do it for them.

Empires still gonna empire. Perhaps it’s just a cosmetic change rather than a characteristic change. There's still seems to be a continuity of agenda but a shift in strategy in executing that agenda - of which the goal  is always primacy over peace. Part of the current strategy is seeming to be peace maker while the imperial machines gears shift to Asia.  It's like the US is telling Europe ''keep this dagger at Russia's throat'' so we can look like the good guys (optics), whilst we sharpen our dagger (which we know is rusty) for China.

On 25/02/2025 at 11:48 AM, zazen said:

From the 2025 Mandate - https://static.project2025.org/2025_MandateForLeadership_FULL.pdf

''In this light, U.S. defense strategy must identify China unequivocally as the top priority for U.S. defense planning while modernizing and expanding the U.S. nuclear arsenal and sustaining an efficient and effective counter terrorism enterprise. U.S. allies must also step up, with some joining the United States in taking on China in Asia while others take more of a lead in dealing with threats from Russia in Europe, Iran, the Middle East, and North Korea. The reality is that achieving these goals will require more spending on defense, both by the United States and by its allies, as well as active support for reindustrialization and more support for allies’ productive capacity so that we can scale our freeworld efforts together.''

On Ukraine specifically, note how they mention China again in relation to it (Russia is mentioned 108 times vs China's 483 times in the mandate) :

''Another school of conservative thought denies that U.S. Ukrainian support is in the national security interest of America at all. Ukraine is not a member of the NATO alliance and is one of the most corrupt nations in the region. European nations directly affected by the conflict should aid in the defense of Ukraine, but the U.S. should not continue its involvement. This viewpoint desires a swift end to the conflict through a negotiated settlement between Ukraine and Russia.  

The tension between these competing positions has given rise to a third approach. This conservative viewpoint eschews both isolationism and interventionism. Rather, each foreign policy decision must first ask the question: What is in the interest of the American people? U.S. military engagement must clearly fall within U.S. interests; be fiscally responsible; and protect American freedom, liberty, and sovereignty, all while recognizing Communist China as the greatest threat to U.S. interests. Thus, with respect to Ukraine, continued U.S. involvement must be fully paid for; limited to military aid (while European allies address Ukraine’s economic needs); and have a clearly defined national security strategy that does not risk American lives.''

https://news.sky.com/story/us-troops-will-not-be-used-to-secure-ukraine-peace-following-ceasefire-deal-with-putin-trumps-defence-secretary-tells-allies-13307774

''Mr Hegseth said Washington must focus on the threat posed by China and securing its own borders.

He added: "Stark strategic realities prevent the United States of America from being primarily focused on the security of Europe.

"As the United States shifts its attention to these threats, European allies must lead from the front," 

 

 

Edited Friday at 08:00 AM by zazen

[Girzo]

3 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

It's not that Trump is giving Ukraine to Russia, it's that Russia has won the war and is advancing faster and faster, it's something that is avoided to mention.

Right now Russia is advancing, but slower and slower every month. They still control less territory than they did in 2022, and still can't get Ukraininans out of Kursk. Check your info before posting.

Far from winning in my opinion. Both sides throw painful drone attacks at each other, in addition.

[DocWatts]

Public pushback is having its intended effect in making it slower and more difficult for Trump to fulfill his fascist agenda - so KEEP FIGHTING! Public pressure was never going to completely stop Trump's fascist agenda, but it can gum up the gears and buy us more time. Even authoritarian regimes need some level of public support in order to carry out their plans - not because they give a shit about the public, but because logistically their agenda requires cooperation from state and local governments and agencies.

But we need to be doing more - encourage everyone you know who's not a MAGAt to flood their reps with phone calls, and tell them not to cooperate with Trump's regime in any way shape or form. Pressure your local reps to hold a town hall. Attend protests. Withhold your money from corporations such as Amazon and Target that are collaborating with Trump's fascist regime. Stay informed by following organizations like 50501 and Indivisible, and be willing to have uncomfortable conversations with friends and acquaintances who don't normally follow politics. In short - stop doomscrolling and find a way to integrate civic participation into your life.

The Orange Shit Stain had the gall to think dismantling our democracy would be effortless, that we'd just sit back and allow him to destroy our lives without a fight - let's show him how wrong he is.

Edited Friday at 10:03 AM by DocWatts

[Breakingthewall]

2 hours ago, Girzo said:

Right now Russia is advancing, but slower and slower every month. They still control less territory than they did in 2022, and still can't get Ukraininans out of Kursk. Check your info before posting.

Far from winning in my opinion. Both sides throw painful drone attacks at each other, in addition.

According colonel McGregor it's exactly the opposite. Thank you for the recommendation about checking, where are you checking? In the news? 

[Leo Gura]

5 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

According colonel McGregor

Why you listening to that crank?

Edited Friday at 12:08 PM by Leo Gura

[Breakingthewall]

4 hours ago, zazen said:

we sharpen our dagger (which we know is rusty) for China.

 A war against china would be impossible, the only possible war is a commercial one, and with little chance of success. In a real war, the US would fail completely, China would crush them. It would lead to an atomic war and the world would be destroyed.

The US is making maneuvers to delay its recession, the war in Ukraine has been one of them, now Trump is trying a protectionist strategy, but the world is moving in one direction and the decline of the US is inevitable.

[Breakingthewall]

6 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Why you listening to that crank?

Seems more or less informed about whats happening and the news are complete lies, then what could I listen to make an idea of the reality there? It's very difficult 

Anyway, logic says that Russia won, if weren't the case Blinken wouldn't have been so desperate as to suggest sending children to war and bombing Russian territory.

Edited Friday at 12:16 PM by Breakingthewall

[Breakingthewall]

Seriously, what does the US care about the Dombass? It seems to be something vital for the US. The Crimea issue is like bombing New York, unacceptable, why?

Imagine that for China it is something absolutely terrible that the US invades Iraq, all the Chinese are in a fit of collective hysteria because Afghanistan is being defiled, a thousands-year-old nation, no Chinese can sleep in the face of such horror, it would be better to destroy the world than to allow something as atrocious as Israel bombing Gaza. Let's give Hamas hypersonic atomic missiles because we Chinese cannot live if evil reigns in the world and good is defiled. 

[DocWatts]

I'm encouraging everyone I know to flood the phonelines of House Minority leader Hakeem Jefferies and Senate minority leader Chuck Schumer. Until we can replace these unimaginative cowards with leaders that have the spine to fight like our lives are depending on it, the next best thing we can do is a sustained public pressure campaign against the Democratic leadership to do their damned jobs and act like an actual resistance party.

Below is a script you can use:

 

Hakeem Jefferies
(202) 225-5936

Chuck Schumer
(202) 224-6542

____________________________

Hi, my name is [name], and I’m a longtime Democratic voter from [state and city].

I'm calling to urge [Representative Jeffries / Senator Schumer] to use his position of leadership within the Democratic Party to denounce Trump's unconstitutional power grab as a COUP in direct and uncompromising language. The Democratic Party needs to communicate to the American people that Trump's regime is a puppet of Vladimir Putin and billionaire oligarchs, drawing out the parallels between Trump's regime and Vichy [vee-shee] France during World War 2.

I don't want to hear what the Democratic Party can't do because it's in the minority - I want to hear a bold vision for how it plans to resist Trump's authoritarian power grab, that doesn't place all of its hopes on midterm elections that are nearly two years away.

At the very least, I expect [Representative Jeffries / Senator Schumer] to rally Democrats to:
- Vote NO on every Trump nominee and appointee
- Weaponize procedure: demand quorum calls, block unanimous consent, and slow everything down.
- Make Republicans' lives hell: force endless votes, filibuster, and grind things to a halt.

In short, the Democratic Party must abandon 'business as usual' and act as a true opposition party before it's too late.

Thank you for you time and consideration.
 

Edited Friday at 01:15 PM by DocWatts

[DocWatts]

I'm planning on handing these out at the Bernie Sanders rally that's happening near my house this weekend. I'd encourage anyone who's planning on attending a rally or protest to do the same.

 

Edited Friday at 02:39 PM by DocWatts

[Breakingthewall]

@DocWatts 

Trump said during his campaign that if he won he would act like a dictator, and the vast majority of the US voted for him, so who is against democracy, him or you?

[DocWatts]

21 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

@DocWatts 

Trump said during his campaign that if he won he would act like a dictator, and the vast majority of the US voted for him, so who is against democracy, him or you?

 

That's like claiming that what the Nazis did was justified because they won a plurality of Reichstag seats in the 1932 election.

The 'vast majority' of Americans did NOT vote for this - Trump didn't even win a majority of the vote, he eeked out a thin plurality of just 31.8% of eligible voters, compared to Harris's %30.8. %36 of the country did not Vote - far more than voted for Orange Shitler. Stop spreading disinformation.

Democracy doesn't mean that if you win an election you get to rule by decree like a king. We have Constitutional checks and balances for a reason. If you want to live under a monarchy, there's plenty of countries in the Middle East that you could emigrate to.

Enough with the gaslighting.

 

Edited Friday at 03:40 PM by DocWatts