🚨 A Dictatorial Coup Is Taking Place Within The United States Right Now 🚨

[Applegarden8]

Worst case is civil war in US. I see it coming somehow.

Edited March 2 by Applegarden8

[Rafael Thundercat]

1 hour ago, Applegarden8 said:

Worst case is civil war in US. I see it coming somehow.

"The Earth is a very small stage in a vast cosmic arena. Think of the rivers of blood spilled by all those generals and emperors so that, in glory and triumph, they could become the momentary masters of a fraction of a dot...

...

Our posturings, our imagined self-importance, the delusion that we have some privileged position in the Universe, are challenged by this point of pale light. Our planet is a lonely speck in the great enveloping cosmic dark..."

 

- Carl Sagan, Pale Blue Dot

[Breathe]

On 2/26/2025 at 11:22 PM, Inliytened1 said:

I think it was the right move by Trump.   It's not the US war. 

It is very much the US's war. Trump is effectively telling Putin he can go fuck the rest of our allies in Europe. Our trading partners, those who have our backs against our enemies. Then there's China, the next superpower in line. We need all the help we can get to prevent economic collapse. We just fucked ourselves. We just said, "Dear Putin, we don't mind if you destroy our economy if you let us suck your dick."

[Applegarden8]

On 2/27/2025 at 1:28 AM, Inliytened1 said:

Zelenski = puppy bitch

@Leo Gura time for another mod to retire with a screaming match that ooh... Actualized is bad, Leo is a dictator etc.

Edited March 2 by Applegarden8

[Applegarden8]

On 2/27/2025 at 1:22 AM, Inliytened1 said:

I think it was the right move by Trump.   It's not the US war. 

If you have played any Sid Meiers Civilization series, you will underestand that any indecision or lack of participation will make the opponent grow exponentially, in this case there are hidden costs that you don't see that authoritarian regimes gain. Do you think they will stop there? About the Zelensky being a puppet, well, I just so funny that I will not comment. What would you do with your wisdom, truth and love in this situation!?

Edited March 2 by Applegarden8

[puporing]

2 hours ago, Applegarden8 said:

On 2/26/2025 at 4:28 PM, Inliytened1 said:

Zelenski = puppy bitch

@Leo Gura time for another mod to retire with a screaming match that ooh... Actualized is bad, Leo is a dictator etc.

Edited 2 hours ago by Applegarden8

He corrected himself. 

[Adrian colby]

Would anyone recommend ‘vaush’ as a good channel for opinion?

[Applegarden8]

2 hours ago, puporing said:

He corrected himself. 

if you are referring to what i corrected i wrote time incorrectly

[Joshe]

4 hours ago, Adrian colby said:

Would anyone recommend ‘vaush’ as a good channel for opinion?

His perspectives are usually worth knowing about IMO, but they aren't meta and you have to overlook his overt bias. 

[Fluran]

9 hours ago, Applegarden8 said:

If you have played any Sid Meiers Civilization series, you will underestand that any indecision or lack of participation will make the opponent grow exponentially, in this case there are hidden costs that you don't see that authoritarian regimes gain. Do you think they will stop there? About the Zelensky being a puppet, well, I just so funny that I will not comment. What would you do with your wisdom, truth and love in this situation!?

I love civ 6 (on 5meo :0) though I played recklessley just getting tons of gold or science and nuking enemies and conquering enemies, barely attempted science or cultural victory, though they are more beautiful than just destroying cities
 

I do not think trump is just staying at home, doing nothing, he is redefining it's relation to Russia, as well Ukraine, as well Europe.
what I see is, US is getting stronger by establishing peace, and deals on both side, from russia, and ukraine, where two nations rely on US. and Europe should stand on itself, the rise of alt-right is dangerous, so should, someone like from CDU  Friedrich Merz, stepping in, and taking counter action, which is a good move.

if elon's endorsement of AFD was meant to wake up call to Europe, rather than really supporting AFD,
and Europe standing up it's own, becoming an powerful attractor
I guess he is a strategic genious, but it is just a trippy imagination lol.

I know this forum is more leaning to democrats, not woke though, so I do not leave comments usually,
but I liked first pages document, very well written and deepens nuance in my thinking
 

[Adrian colby]

14 hours ago, Joshe said:

His perspectives are usually worth knowing about IMO, but they aren't meta and you have to overlook his overt bias. 

Thanks!

still learning how peeps argue relative world stuff and how they structure intellectual, language etc etc. you get me… I see another level to argument that he uses that I thought was interesting

[DocWatts]

18 hours ago, Joshe said:

His perspectives are usually worth knowing about IMO, but they aren't meta and you have to overlook his overt bias. 

In regards to Vaush, he's not a tankie like Hasan Piker, is more pragmatic with his takes than much of the online Left, is willing to speak to men's issues - but otherwise I'd agree with this take. Just know you're getting some insightful political analysis mixed with overt bias and a healthy dose of hyperbole.

 

Edited Monday at 04:02 PM by DocWatts

[PurpleTree]

Some insights about Trump

 

[Inliytened1]

On 3/2/2025 at 8:04 AM, Applegarden8 said:

@Leo Gura time for another mod to retire with a screaming match that ooh... Actualized is bad, Leo is a dictator etc.

Lol 😆  Zelensky stood up to the bullies so I said he proved me wrong.   The US is bullying him.  But the US has also given him billions of dollars in aid and they feel he doesn't want to work on a ceasefire.  However I think he does with guarantees.   Putin went  back on previous ceasefire.  The problem is the US is caught in the middle.  If it sides too much with Ukraine it will find itself head to head with Putin.   And at the same time we are tired of sending them so much money.  The war continues to drag on. Trump is a businessman first.   He is kind of playing both sides because he doesn't want a direct confrontation with Putin and Russia.  I feel worse for Ukraine because they are in such a bad position.   They may need to drink the cool aid here. And he's not.   I think he's being a little too bold for his britches.  But I'd probably do the same thing.

Edited Monday at 11:11 PM by Inliytened1

[PurpleTree]

When asked how Fascism starts, Bertrand Russell once said: "First, they fascinate the fools. Then, they muzzle the intelligent."

[puporing]

18 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

When asked how Fascism starts, Bertrand Russell once said: "First, they fascinate the fools. Then, they muzzle the intelligent."

Good line. Pretty much on point too. 

The "intelligent" are much more rare usually, so it's easy to just wipe them out one by one, if the population is already not very intelligent..

Edited Monday at 10:47 PM by puporing

[Inliytened1]

31 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

When asked how Fascism starts, Bertrand Russell once said: "First, they fascinate the fools. Then, they muzzle the intelligent."

He failed to address the intelligent fools

[aurum]

A good discussion on the importance of press freedom:

 

[DocWatts]

Proud of my home state for showing up to the state capital yesterday. The fact that Trump is threatening protesters is indicative to me that they're getting under his skin.

[Rafael Thundercat]

one point about NATO 

 thinking about NATO. If I were Europe and my once closest ally threatens us with Russia’s talking points, bully Ukraine & threaten a takeover of Greenland, I’d carefully rethink housing of US military bases given all this betrayal of trust.

With Trump freezing US military aid to Ukraine, and if he starts undermining NATO even more as he’s threatening to do, can Europe still count on these longstanding bases in terms of allied intelligence and security?

Here’s what’s at stake:
US military bases in Europe have long been stable pillars of transatlantic security, housing key personnel, intelligence sharing & nuclear deterrents.

If  Trumps’s actions signal obedience to Russian command, keeping such bases could pose far greater strategic risks than benefits, especially if they become a direct channel to Moscow under Trump & Hegseth.

At best- an intelligence risk.
At worst- an unthinkable extension and incursion of Putin’s military on European soil.

Many complex factors:
These bases aren’t easily dismissed and can’t be dismantled overnight- vital to rapid response, logistics, medical facilities and the overall anti-Russia deterrence architecture that has helped maintain stability post WWII.

Any decision to alter US military presence in Europe must be weighed carefully. And certain bases are more critical than others. Removing them could create a security gap at best, or a direct threat at worst, while Europe scrambles for a viable, non-US alternative.

At stake is not just immediate defense capability but the broader strategic autonomy, influence & unity of Europe. NATO’s relationship with pro-Putin Hungary (a member) is already tenuous. A bold move could force a shift toward an integrated European defense system.

The big question: Do we risk instability by clinging to an untrustworthy ally in the US that is clearly taking orders from the Kremlin, or do we seize the opportunity to build a more independent, resilient defense framework?