🚨 A Dictatorial Coup Is Taking Place Within The United States Right Now 🚨

[nerdspeak]

16 hours ago, Rafael Thundercat said:

An Interview with Curtis Yarvis. One of the influences for Vance,Elon,Peter Thiel and probably more

Can anyone fact check the BS that this guy say?

Vance is a very sneaky guy who is good at making many far-right "public intellectuals" think they've got influence over him because then they're more likely to do his PR for him in their weird internet echo chambers. 

I don't think Vance takes this guy very seriously. Yarvin is a monarchist who wants to go back to an era before the English Revolution. That's a far-right reactionary position, but that has nothing to do with MAGA. 

[Rafael Thundercat]

A different perspective of here this West Possession came from. Older than we ever imagined

https://simonyugler.substack.com/p/the-politics-of-possession-part-ii

 

[Elliott]

39 minutes ago, nerdspeak said:

 course, the Democrats want us to panic, to cover up how gutless their response has been so far. 

 

Why don't you progressives ever ask what Jill Stein or Claudia De LA Cruz is going to do about Trump? Democrats were voted out of all power, Jill Stein has as much power.

Edited yesterday at 03:31 PM by Elliott

[DocWatts]

49 minutes ago, nerdspeak said:

Elections are run by the states, not the federal government.

This is true. But of all the federal agencies affected by this Executive Order, this is the one I'm the most concerned about. If Trump does manage to federalize elections, democracy is effectively finished, in a fairly unambiguous way.

Of course this would be highly illegal and unconstitutional, but Laws only matter if there are people with power willing to enforce them.

If Trump and Elon raid the Federal Elections Commission like they did the US Treasury, who is going to stop them? For all we know, Trump will issue a decree that State level election results are illegitimate if not run through his federalized FEC - what then?

Edited yesterday at 03:42 PM by DocWatts

[Elliott]

1 minute ago, DocWatts said:

That's true, but of all the federal agencies affected by this Executive Order, this is the one I'm the most concerned about. If Trump does manage to federalize elections, democracy is effectively finished, in a fairly unambiguous way.

Of course this would be highly illegal and unconstitutional, but Laws only matter if there are people with power willing to enforce them.

If Trump and Elon does hostile takeover of the Federal Elections Commission in the same way that they did for the US Treasury, who is going to stop them? For all we know, Trump will issue a decree that State level election results are illegitimate if not run through his federalized FEC - what then?

That all would mean nothing, it's up to the states and congress. That would be no different than Ronald McDonald declaring it.

[nerdspeak]

15 minutes ago, Elliott said:

Why don't you progressives ever ask what Jill Stein or Claudia De LA Cruz is going to do about Trump? Democrats were voted out of all power, Jill Stein has as much power.

What? The Democrats govern almost all major cities, most large states, and the entire NGO complex. On balance, you could argue they’re still the most powerful political force in the US, even with Trump in power. 

Yet the response so far is for Hakeem Jefferies to fly to Silicon Valley and beg them to come back. Ok that’s not entirely fair, state AGs have filed some lawsuits, but that’s defense not offense. 

[Elliott]

12 minutes ago, nerdspeak said:

What? The Democrats govern almost all major cities, most large states, and the entire NGO complex. On balance, you could argue they’re still the most powerful political force in the US, even with Trump in power. 

Yet the response so far is for Hakeem Jefferies to fly to Silicon Valley and beg them to come back. Ok that’s not entirely fair, state AGs have filed some lawsuits, but that’s defense not offense. 

What "offense" should they do? They just lost the election, they were voted out of congress and the presidency, this is what the people voted for, you want democrats to deny the will of the people?

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[DocWatts]

12 minutes ago, Elliott said:

That all would mean nothing, it's up to the states and congress. That would be no different than Ronald McDonald declaring it.

I wish that were true - but at the end of the day Laws are ultimately just social agreements, not worth the piece of paper they're written on without enforcement.

If people with the power to enforce these agreements decide that Trump's whims rather than the US Constitution is the 'law', then that becomes the lived reality, regardless of what's on the books. This is the explicit long term goal of Project 2025, by the way 

Edited yesterday at 03:55 PM by DocWatts

[Elliott]

5 minutes ago, DocWatts said:

I wish that were true - but at the end of the day Laws are ultimately just social agreements, not worth the piece of paper they're written on without enforcement.

If people with the power to enforce these agreements decide that Trump's whims rather than the US Constitution is the 'law', then that becomes the lived reality, regardless of what's on the books. This is the explicit long term goal of Project 2025, by the way 

That's a cartoonish view of Americans, they're not that fucked up.

[DocWatts]

5 minutes ago, Elliott said:

What "offense" should they do? They just lost the election, they were voted out of congress and the presidency.

Speak out loudly and boldly that a coup is happening. Grind all congressional work to a halt. Filibuster every bill that comes to the floor, refuse to nominate cabinet picks. Obstruct legislative committees. Participate in protests. 

In short, abandon 'business as usual' without major concessions from this regime to restore oversight and accountability. Use their legislative authority to make every action that this regime wants to take as slow and frustratingly difficult as possible.

[Elliott]

8 minutes ago, DocWatts said:

Speak out loudly and boldly that a coup is happening. Grind all congressional work to a halt. Filibuster every bill that comes to the floor, refuse to nominate cabinet picks. Obstruct legislative committees. Participate in protests. 

In short, abandon 'business as usual' without major concessions from this regime to restore oversight and accountability. Use their legislative authority to make every action that this regime wants to take as slow and frustratingly difficult as possible.

Trump himself is "halting everything" and ending "business as usual". He's shutting down his own branch of government, he'll be able to do nothing, he is already doing this to himself.

Democrats cannot block cabinet picks and they normally filibuster against republican bills already.

Edited yesterday at 04:09 PM by Elliott

[DocWatts]

8 minutes ago, Elliott said:

That's a cartoonish view of Americans, they're not that fucked up.

I don't know if you live in the States, but I do. We're that fucked up - or getting there at any rate.

We're in the early stages of what is known as a 'legitimacy crisis', where key political players and a sizeable minority of the country have dropped the pretense that they care about the Rule Of Law.

I'm not saying this to be alarmist, no particular outcome to this crisis is inevitable, but it doesn't help anyone to pretend that any of this is normal.

Edited yesterday at 04:09 PM by DocWatts

[nerdspeak]

13 minutes ago, Elliott said:

What "offense" should they do? They just lost the election, they were voted out of congress and the presidency, this is what the people voted for, you want democrats to deny the will of the people?

Given the degree of illegality and the fact that they told us what they were going to do in advance, a stronger and more coordinated national response would be expected. 

12 minutes ago, DocWatts said:

I wish that were true - but at the end of the day Laws are ultimately just social agreements, not worth the piece of paper they're written on without enforcement.

If people with the power to enforce these agreements decide that Trump's whims rather than the US Constitution is the 'law', then that becomes the lived reality, regardless of what's on the books. This is the explicit long term goal of Project 2025, by the way 

Too many Republicans would defect if he tried to federalize elections. Not only because that would actually be a coup in the true sense, but also because it would work directly against their interests. Under normal circumstances, Republicans gain a lot from running elections through the states, it helps them with their gerrymandering games. 

[Elliott]

4 minutes ago, nerdspeak said:

Given the degree of illegality and the fact that they told us what they were going to do in advance, a stronger and more coordinated national response would be expected. 

To, overturn the will of the people? Besides that even, this is such a vague answer, do you have any action idea at all?

[DocWatts]

10 minutes ago, nerdspeak said:

Too many Republicans would defect if he tried to federalize elections. Not only because that would actually be a coup in the true sense, but also because it would work directly against their interests. Under normal circumstances, Republicans gain a lot from running elections through the states, it helps them with their gerrymandering games. 

Given how ham-fisted and blatant these moves are, you may be right, but the only way that happens is by a sustained public pressure campaign on these legislators from members of the public. In short - call your senators, even your Republican ones, tell them that you expect them to uphold the Rule of Law, and not cede their constitutional authority to Elon Musk and Donald Trump.

(Ie, "Senator [name], I voted for you to represent me, not Elon Musk"). Musk is the weakest link in Trump's coalition, I'd recommend pushing that angle if your representatives are Republicans.

Edited yesterday at 04:18 PM by DocWatts

[Elliott]

23 minutes ago, DocWatts said:

I don't know if you live in the States, but I do. We're that fucked up - or getting there at any rate.

We're in the early stages of what is known as a 'legitimacy crisis', where key political players and a sizeable minority of the country have dropped the pretense that they care about the Rule Of Law.

I'm not saying this to be alarmist, no particular outcome to this crisis is inevitable, but it doesn't help anyone to pretend that any of this is normal.

See; 'civil rights movement'.

I do live here, a red state even, and no we're not. What commentators have you been listening to?

Thune is the new leader of Republican Senators

 

The New Republic

https://newrepublic.com › post › republican-congressman...

"Republican Congressman Slams Trump’s “Out of Control” Executive Or…

23 hours ago · “Not the president, not Elon Musk. Congress decides.” Balderson said that he respected Trump, the need for executive orders"

Trump "let us down." …

 

 

The Hill

https://thehill.com › homenews › administration

"Nikki Haley admonishes Donald Trump for Ukraine stance: 'Exactly what ...

2 days ago · Former Republican presidential candidate Nikki Haley admonished her 2024 election rival, President Trump, over his stance"

 

Edited yesterday at 04:29 PM by Elliott

[nerdspeak]

12 minutes ago, Elliott said:

To, overturn the will of the people? Besides that even, this is such a vague answer, do you have any action idea at all?

Because Trump won an election, is it the will of the people to attack the separation of powers? 

There's a lot they could have and still could do. They could block Trump appointments more aggressively, and the governors and AGs could have planned a more coordinated response earlier instead of just reacting now.  

Since this unitary executive nonsense threatens the power of Congress across both parties, they could have passed legislation before Trump took office to preemptively limit executive powers, e.g., preventing impoundment abuse, and introduced reporting requirements on funding freezes and agency reorgs. 

 

[DocWatts]

@Elliott Insiders are saying that Republican Senators and reps are scared shitless of threats of violence from MAGA extremists if they break ranks with Trump.

Lest we forget, MAGA has already tried to kill several of our elected representives, including Mike Pence and the Governor of my home state.

Moreover, thanks to the hostile takeover and subsequent politicization of the FBI by MAGA extremists, they won't be trying to stop these attacks on our elected officials (or the public, for that matter).

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/story/trump-congress-political-violence

Edited yesterday at 04:45 PM by DocWatts

[Elliott]

Just now, nerdspeak said:

Because Trump won an election, is it the will of the people to attack the separation of powers? 

 

Americans elected a Republican Congress, SCOTUS is Republican, what fourth branch are you referring to for "seperation of powers"?

Just now, nerdspeak said:

There's a lot they could have and still could do. They could block Trump appointments more aggressively, and the governors and AGs could have planned a more coordinated response earlier instead of just reacting now.  

They cannot block appointments, that's a lie going around.

Just now, nerdspeak said:

Since this unitary executive nonsense threatens the power of Congress across both parties, they could have passed legislation before Trump took office to preemptively limit executive powers, e.g., preventing impoundment abuse, and introduced reporting requirements on funding freezes and agency reorgs. 

 

Trump could still just ignore those, with a Republican congress, it wouldn't matter.

 

[The Crocodile]

If trump tried to stay in he would be arrested. Probably he will try a "soft" way to do it through constitutional amendment, an investigation of nonexistent voter fraud, or literally just a second Jan 6. Otherwise he could just be killed or die of an illness.