🚨 A Dictatorial Coup Is Taking Place Within The United States Right Now 🚨

[aurum]

26 minutes ago, Jayson G said:

serious question, at what point do you think it makes sense to leave america, if at all, hoping to get opinions. I don't want to over-react, but I don't want to under-react either. I considered this as a possibility up until today, while today I feel this may be a potential reality. Im an ordinary american citizen questioning a good life in america over the coming years because of this. Do you think life will generally be the same on an individual level, or does it get a bit worse? somewhat worse? or really bad

It's a genuine question. Life will certainly get worse for your ordinary American citizen. But I think the answer is it's only worth leaving if you are physically endangered.

Don't forget, you could move to Germany thinking you're escaping all this. And then Elon Musk shows up on a screen and supports AfD.

At this point we need to fight for our democracy, not run away. 

[Jayson G]

7 minutes ago, aurum said:

It's a genuine question. Life will certainly get worse for your ordinary American citizen. But I think the answer is it's only worth leaving if you are physically endangered.

Don't forget, you could move to Germany thinking you're escaping all this. And then Elon Musk shows up on a screen and supports AfD.

At this point we need to fight for our democracy, not run away. 

@aurum yeah there's too many factors at play, but you bring up some factors I haven't thought about

for most us citizens though, including me, my highest priority is my family's safety, but I also care about the US democracy so its conflicting. If US isn't safe, it makes sense to consider moving to some place safer. 

From my research, I don't see evidence of physical endangerment (yet) and you're right, I think that's the biggest factor. Maybe if there is no physical endangerment, then maybe its worth staying, working through the other problems and then fighting for democracy. 

On the other hand, it also is possibly that political opinions can be monitored digitally, or just openly opposing the current regime could lead to harsher consequences. I dont know tbh

[Leo Gura]

1 hour ago, Jayson G said:

at what point do you think it makes sense to leave america

I don't see the point in that unless you are maybe an illegal immigrant. And even then it probably doesn't make sense.

Our political situation is bad, but you should be careful not to over-react to it.

Realistically you can look forward to a market crash, but even then it's not a reason to leave the country. And don't forget that you can still be successful in the middle of a market crash. I made lots of money in 2008-2010 when everyone was complaining about a bad market. Your individual performance has little to do with large average trends. The market could crash 50% but you could still have the best career of your life. People were making careers in the midst of WW2. So don't overreact. You should focus on being productive and creative, not wallowing in political doom and gloom. By the time Trump crashes the market you could start a business and earn a million dollars. Watch less news and focus on your creative work.

Edited yesterday at 06:43 AM by Leo Gura

[Jayson G]

16 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

I don't see the point in that unless you are maybe an illegal immigrant. And even then it probably doesn't make sense.

Our political situation is bad, but you should be careful not to over-react to it.

Realistically you can look forward to a market crash, but even then it's not a reason to leave the country. And don't forget that you can still be successful in the middle of a market crash. I made lots of money in 2008-2010 when everyone was complaining about a bad market. Your individual performance has little to do with large average trends. The market could crash 50% but you could still have the best career of your life. People were making careers in the midst of WW2. So don't overreact. You should focus on being productive and creative, not wallowing in political doom and gloom.

@Leo Gura my last concern is financial tbh (family is doing well financially, and I see great opportunities and I'm on a programming path which has great opportunities in the future) but moreso the social effects, living in a dictatorial environment (I don't know what that will feel like), censorship, police militarization, etc.

But also is moving over-reacting? I mean I'm not here crying and stuff lol I'm a very strategic person generally. I look at situations, analyze and make decisions. I haven't made any decision yet. I'm just trying to assess the playing field. 

But the facts of the playing field: Considering all the damage that has been happening, environmentally, medicaid being cut, the poor people suffering, etc. Or that in just 1 month or something of Trump and Elon taking office, they've done so much damage. But moreso I honestly don't know what these next 4+ years means. Is it just financial issues mostly? Then sure I guess I'll stick around. But how do you know things won't get a lot worse on an individual level? 

(I didn't mention financial concern one bit lol but in any case, this is a great time for any creative-minded person. I'm well aware of that. Perhaps under this administration opportunities open up even more for creative folks ironically.) 

Edited yesterday at 06:56 AM by Jayson G

[Leo Gura]

51 minutes ago, Jayson G said:

But how do you know things won't get a lot worse on an individual level?

The reality is that government has little impact on your individual life unless something very specific happens like a draft for WW3, or you get unlucky enough to get in some terrorist cross-fire.

If you don't got to protests and you don't work in government, virtually nothing will happen to you.

You can live in Putin's Russia or Saudi Arabia, and unless you are actively challenging political power or your country is at war, nothing bad will happen to you. How do you think most of the world lives? Most people live in peace even in a warzone. Even in Ukraine people mostly live in peace and go about business as usual.

When bad stuff happens, it falls on a very small percentage of the population. Only those who are unlucky get hit.

Realistically we are talking about a market crash and some bad inflation. That's mostly what I expect. Plus a bunch of media noise, chaos, and corruption. And of course the death of democracy. Death of democracy does not mean that you personally get a gun to your head.

Edited yesterday at 07:39 AM by Leo Gura

[Jayson G]

7 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

The reality is that government has little impact on your individual life unless something very specific happens like a draft for WW3, or you get unlucky enough to get in some terrorist cross-fire.

If you don't got to protests and you don't work in government, virtually nothing will happen to you.

You can live in Putin's Russia or Saudi Arabia, and unless you are actively challenging political power or your country is at war, nothing bad will happen to you. How do you think most of the world lives? Most people live in peace even in a warzone. Even in Ukraine people mostly live in peace and go about business as usual.

When bad stuff happens, it falls on a very small percentage of the population. Only those who are unlucky get hit.

Realistically we are talking about a market crash and some bad inflation. That's mostly what I expect. Plus a bunch of media noise, chaos, and corruption. And of course the death of democracy. Death of democracy does not mean that you personally get a gun to your head.

@Leo Gura Oh wow that's a very valuable perspective. I guess all this daily reading of New York Times and all the new actions trump was taking got me overreacting then if life on an individual level goes on as business as usual for the most part. 

It does make sense to, as one commonality I see in all of trumps actions is to simply attain more wealth and power. I don't see Hitler-level evil in him, even though we are moving towards an authoritarian government. Maybe there's an important distinction between authoritarian government and Hitler-level or Putin-level chaos. Though I really don't know much about politics to know whether Trump is just after money and power or he truly has war-type tendencies. 

I appreciate this. I didn't even realize how fearful I was until you gave this perspective. I thought I was calmer than I really was. 

[Leo Gura]

31 minutes ago, Jayson G said:

I guess all this daily reading of New York Times

Yes, you guys are way too chronically immersed in the news. Stop consuming news for 3 months and see how you feel. You're getting lost in a social narrative. Go outside, touch grass.

When I started my first business in 2008, right in the middle of the market collapse, I didn't even check the news for 5 years. During that time I made a bunch of money and didn't even know or care what the economy was doing. If sat around watching the financial news every day I would have probably been so depressed and pessimistic that I wouldn't have even worked on my business.

The news narrative -- regardless of what it is -- is NOT reality. Stop watching news and go work on something creative. Go make some art. You will see that all this news stuff is a stupid distraction. You are not improving the world by sitting around worrying about the news each day.

Recognize that Trump's #1 goal is to leech your attention. Trump is an attention whore and he will waste your life by distracting you from the important work you should be doing rather than watching his stupid reality TV show. Same goes for Musk. These narcissists are just attention whores who are too pathetic to generate their own love so they steal it from you like vampires.

Stop feeding the vampires.

Edited yesterday at 08:13 AM by Leo Gura

[Jayson G]

32 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Yes, you guys are way too chronically immersed in the news. Stop consuming news for 3 months and see how you feel. You're getting lost in a social narrative. Go outside, touch grass.

When I started my first business in 2008, right in the middle of the market collapse, I didn't even check the news for 5 years. During that time I made a bunch of money and didn't even know or care what the economy was doing. If sat around watching the financial news every day I would have probably been so depressed and pessimistic that I wouldn't have even worked on my business.

The news narrative -- regardless of what it is -- is NOT reality. Stop watching news and go work on something creative. Go make some art. You will see that all this news stuff is a stupid distraction. You are not improving the world by sitting around worrying about the news each day.

Recognize that Trump's #1 goal is to leech your attention. Trump is an attention whore and he will waste your life by distracting you from the important work you should be doing rather than watching his stupid reality TV show. Same goes for Musk. These narcissists are just attention whores who are too pathetic to generate their own love so they steal it from you like vampires.

Stop feeding the vampires.

@Leo Gura I think I'm going to seriously take that on as a daily conscious habit, not just cutting out political news but also AI news. 

I don't know about other peoples news feed, but mine is mostly filled with Trump, Musk and AI news, and honestly Im getting a bit sick of it. The thing with AI news particularly is there's actually good lessons, etc. from interviews with Sam Altman, Eric Schmidt, etc. but ultimately it leaves me a bit sick after years of it, feeling less myself.

I can imagine a much much more peaceful happier life just focusing on the craft itself, and seeking AI research only when needed. Even AI news is filled with doom and gloom, and all these people are so well-spoken and intelligent in certain narrow ways that it turns addictive. 

The amount of "Future Of AI" videos I consumed is mind-boggingly horrendous lol .. some very valuable lessons but man oh man mostly just this bunch of junk. I don't even know why its junk or what makes it junk but it sure feels like junk. 

Edited yesterday at 08:41 AM by Jayson G

[Leo Gura]

@Jayson G You are misusing the news. You should consume news in bits to get important new developments. Not mindlessly clicking on every bit that some algorithm serves up for you to consume like a pig at the trough.

Check the news once a week, and don't read anything about topics you already figured out. You know Musk and Trump by now, you don't need to consume any more about them. You don't need to consume every latest nonsense they said.

And you don't need a bunch of more AI news. Either use the AI tools or don't. Enough reading about them. We know how AI works and you don't need the latest model, they are all basically alike.

You have to focus your attention on what really matters. News is never what really matters.

Edited yesterday at 09:02 AM by Leo Gura

[Jayson G]

7 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

@Jayson G You are misusing the news. You should consume news in bits to get important new developments. Not mindlessly clicking on every bit that some algorithm serves up for you to consume like a pig at the trough.

Check the news once a week, and don't read anything about topics you already figured out. You know Musk and Trump by now, you don't need to consume any more about them. You don't need to consume every latest nonsense they said.

And you don't need a bunch of more AI news. Either use the AI tools or don't. Enough reading about them. We know how AI works and you don't need the latest model, they are all basically alike.

You have to focus your attention on what really matters. News is never what really matters.

@Leo Gura I really like the idea of just cold cutting stuff out, news, social media, etc. For the first time I just implemented a youtube feed and instagram feed block. I have an addiction problem here partly and actually this discussion made me realize more starkly. 

AI tools can search the internet if when I need something anyways (learn as you go basis), so there's no need for even reading on latest developments anymore. 

It's just shocking how much news and social media sucks you in, and its so addictive, in general. It's not like I could also turn this addiction off day one. It's more like climbing out of a massive pile of shit one step at a time I'm now intuiting. 

[Scholar]

6 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

The only realistic way out of this mess is a rude awakening. Either a market crash or some kind of geopolitical disaster like a war. Something ugly and nasty.

People need to feel the consequences of the corruption and incompetence on their wallet or as some personal inconvenience. People won't awaken through logic or argument but through pain. We have exhausted all the reasonable options at this point, so only pain remains.

The worry today is that people are so disconnected from reality, and hallucination of reality is so prevalent, that they might recontextualize a contact with reality with a further delusion.

The germans after world war 1 are a good example. They suffered the consequences of their war, and instead of taking accountability, Hitler exploited it to frame the german people as victims, and the jewish people as the perpetrators. That's the scary thing about human beings, that sometimes reality will not wake them up but simply lead to more delusions.

And a large portion of the US population basically will stand behind Trump no matter what happens. You can already see the attitudes of them changing, where they will now accept inflation and economic hardship in favor of american isolationism, when they would previously not accept any hardship.

When people are radicalized, they might simply be willing to make the sacrifices to maintain their delusions. This is not unique to Jihadis, it has happened throughout history. Just look at the Russians and what their population is willing to endure for their loyalty towards Putin and the russian nation. Never would we have thought that people would be willing to die in a world war 2 type scenario as cannon fodder to gain a few inches of land for their leaders imperial ambitions. We thought people would no longer be willing to engage in such sacrifices as a result of peace and progress. But this is simply not the case, we were wrong.

 

The hope is that there are not yet enough people to allow for such a transformation of the political system. But in nazi germany, it didn't even require a majority to achieve that. Delusion and ignorance is exceptionally dangerous.

 

 

And yes I don't like spending any time on this topic either, it's absolutely assinine that I have to think about this in the first place, and waste my time and energy on this. The problem with this is that if you get hung up on the culture, and react against it, you will be defined by the culture as well, which will just increase foolishness. Like all the atheists who fight against religious people. They are better than the Christians, but they have defined themselves through opposition to such a degree that they are equally stuck in the primitive culture of today as the Christians are. It's like, just to be able to engage with these topic requires you to engage in primitivity that will then lead to you wasting your time on primitivity rather than on your higher ideals. But at this point it feels like it would be irresponsible not to contribute. If every reasonable person removes themselves from politics because of how degenerate it has become, then politics will only get worse, and that can end in disaster.

So that is the question, do I just focus on my life purpose and pretend the world does not exist? I truly wish I could, but it does not seem like this can be afforded anymore. This is partly because I don't even see a solution in sight. Social media is just getting worse and worse, people are becoming more ignorant, more biased, more self-serving. Popular media is just filled with vile, disrespectful individuals who basically are just arrogant and hateful. And these people are the role models for the youth, amplified on steroids by never before seen technology.

Edited yesterday at 10:59 AM by Scholar

[Rafael Thundercat]

 

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[DocWatts]

I recently turned an expanded version of this post into a Substack article, if folks would prefer sharing that over a forum post. Please do your part to help get this information out there, since as of Thursday at least, legacy media is largely NOT COVERING this.

https://7provtruths.substack.com/p/a-dictatorial-coup-is-taking-place

Edited yesterday at 03:40 PM by DocWatts

[Fearey]

You get what you vote for. The US population voted for transitioning into dictatorship. That's where we're headed. Enjoy the ride 

[Rafael Thundercat]

The Left is united by ideas, the Right by business interests. That is why the left always turns into many pieces while the right consolidates as soon as they see they lose power…

[Rafael Thundercat]

Anyone here ever read the Novel The Man in the High Castle is an alternative history novel by Philip K. Dick?

 

[Alex4]

I hope the average conservative voter sees the danger Trump is in this term, without things getting too messed up. 

[Husseinisdoingfine]

9 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Check the news once a week.

Pretty much my schedule. I get all of my news from Russian News TV, but I only check in really once a week to watch for an hour or two, on Sundays, and bits and pieces scattered throughout the week.

Anything more than that is a waste of time. 

Link below is basically where all of my news comes from.

https://smotrim.ru/video/2930282

https://smotrim.ru/video/2936101

 

Edited 23 hours ago by Husseinisdoingfine