🚨 A Dictatorial Coup Is Taking Place Within The United States Right Now 🚨

[Ishanga]

1 hour ago, Elliott said:

States run the elections. The only thing the executive branch does is enforce laws, the worst he can do is not enforce laws. States are obviously separate from him.

 

Everything is okay guys, calm down.

Only Zealots behave or react like above, and Zealots of blinded by the Belief in something being too much of this or that, in this case that Trump is some sort of nut cased psycho  dictator, 4 yrs from now it will all be forgotten and they'll complain about not being able to get a date still:)

[Elliott]

What commentators are you all listening to?

[Scholar]

17 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

Only Zealots behave or react like above, and Zealots of blinded by the Belief in something being too much of this or that, in this case that Trump is some sort of nut cased psycho  dictator, 4 yrs from now it will all be forgotten and they'll complain about not being able to get a date still:)

The scale of the damage to democracy that has already been done is monumental. You can't simply brush off the seriousness of what is happening. 

 

This isn't some sort of bet on the outcome of a football match. if you are wrong about your evaluation of what is occuring, and what potentially can occur, this is going to end in ways that might be irreversable for decades. You have no idea what will be the case in 4 years, because Elon Musk, the richest man ever to walk this planet, is fully invested in propagandizing the nation with the most influention information technology in the history of mankind.

If you cannot see how fucking insane what is going on is, you are part of the problem. 

 

The problem is, you will not value peace and democracy until you lose it. It's unthinkable to you that you would have to fight a war for survival in the next year, or in 3 years. But that's exactly what the Ukrainians thought. Reality can change very quickly, there is nothing that maintains stability other than human beings and their values. If you do not stand up for them, and if you do not act in the fact of ridicilous red flags, then it is literally only a matter of time before things collapse. 

Even if it was the case that Trump was not an existential threat at this point, the fact that he can get away with this means that any actor who will be willing to destroy democracy will know that there is nothing that will stop him, because everyone will simply assume that democracy cannot fall, that the balance of power is eternal, that the system is fool-proof. 

 

This is exceptionally naive. Americans are deeply ignorant, underdeveloped and childish. That fact alone should give you existential dread, the fact that so many people in your country are so profoundly ignorant. With ignorance on that scale, it is only a matter of time before catastrophy ensues.

Edited yesterday at 12:13 AM by Scholar

[PurpleTree]

5 minutes ago, Elliott said:

What commentators are you all listening to?

Fox news, Glenn Greenwald, Joe Rogan

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

not

[Elliott]

3 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

Fox news, Glenn Greenwald, Joe Rogan

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

They're even worse. Who do you listen to?

[Carl-Richard]

Man o man the world is turning to shit pretty fast, time to call your friend from high school that prepared for the zombie apocalypse and ask him to spare you a few hunting rifles and cans of beans 

Edited yesterday at 12:20 AM by Carl-Richard

[Yimpa]

1 minute ago, Elliott said:

Who do you listen to?

I listen to a higher power 

[Elliott]

11 minutes ago, Scholar said:

The scale of the damage to democracy that has already been done is monumental. You can't simply brush off the seriousness of what is happening. 

 

This isn't some sort of bet on the outcome of a football match. if you are wrong about your evaluation of what is occuring, and what potentially can occur, this is going to end in ways that might be irreversable for decades. You have no idea what will be the case in 4 years, because Elon Musk, the richest man ever to walk this planet, is fully invested in propagandizing the nation with the most influention information technology in the history of mankind.

If you cannot see how fucking insane what is going on is, you are part of the problem. 

 

The problem is, you will not value peace and democracy until you lose it. It's unthinkable to you that you would have to fight a war for survival in the next year, or in 3 years. But that's exactly what the Ukrainians thought. Reality can change very quickly, there is nothing that maintains stability other than human beings and their values. If you do not stand up for them, and if you do not act in the fact of ridicilous red flags, then it is literally only a matter of time before things collapse. 

Even if it was the case that Trump was not an existential threat at this point, the fact that he can get away with this means that any actor who will be willing to destroy democracy will know that there is nothing that will stop him, because everyone will simply assume that democracy cannot fall, that the balance of power is eternal, that the system is fool-proof. 

 

This is exceptionally naive. Americans are deeply ignorant, underdeveloped and childish. That fact alone should give you existential dread, the fact that so many people in your country are so profoundly ignorant. With ignorance on that scale, it is only a matter of time before catastrophy ensues.

Or, you're misreading the situation.

[Breathe]

Just now, PurpleTree said:

Honestly i wonder if and when they’re going to shut down freedom of speech on the internet. And start shooting at protestors by the way things are moving.

I think it's coming

[Scholar]

Just now, Elliott said:

Or, you're misreading the situation.

It seems that my explanation was not clear enough. To boil it down to idiocracy level logic:

If I am wrong, worst thing that happens is I worried too much.

If you are wrong, you lose your democracy, you might enter civil war, and China, Iran and Russia will exploit the fall of the US to basically go for a world war type power grab.

[PurpleTree]

10 minutes ago, Elliott said:

They're even worse. Who do you listen to?

Make a thread about it and ask people what sources they get their intel from.

[Etherial Cat]

30 minutes ago, Elliott said:

You guys are definitely on crack.

That's probably why we can see the gargantuan red elephant with multicolor dots in the room while you're struggling. 

I’d suggest you hop on the bandwagon, but I’m worried you'd take my joke literally with this level of discernment. 

[Leo Gura]

1 hour ago, Something Funny said:

@Leo Gura how come it seems like there are zero checks on executive power or like they are not working at all? How can one person be allowed to do so much damage?

I remember you saying that places like Iran couldn't sustain democracy and liberal values because their development level was too low. But now it seems like basically any country, no matter how developed it is according to spiral dynamics and such, can drop into chaos and corruption at the click of your fingers.

Decay into corruption is a never-ending problem. All systems decay over time. So Spiral Dynamics is not enough to save us. Non-corruption should never be taken for granted, as if it will hold automatically without our effort.

There were many checks on executive power but over the last 10 years they were all corrupted away. The Congress was corrupted, the judicial was corrupted, the media was corrupted, the corporations were corrupted, the citizenry was corrupted.

You can't have a healthy system when every branch of the system, from public to private, is corrupted by rampant greed, selfishness, and ignorance. In the end, nothing governs mankind but ourselves. If every leader is going to be greedy and selfish then MAGA is what we'll get.

It is not really one person doing all this damage. The damage has been done by thousands of leaders and enablers across government, courts, business, political parties, and media -- because they are all epistemically bankrupt.

Edited yesterday at 12:48 AM by Leo Gura

[Elliott]

11 minutes ago, Scholar said:

It seems that my explanation was not clear enough. To boil it down to idiocracy level logic:

If I am wrong, worst thing that happens is I worried too much.

If you are wrong, you lose your democracy, you might enter civil war, and China, Iran and Russia will exploit the fall of the US to basically go for a world war type power grab.

Not true, see 'Boy who cried wolf'.

[Scholar]

11 minutes ago, Elliott said:

Not true, see 'Boy who cried wolf'.

That's not an argument lmao. You can't look at Hitler before his rise and go like "Boy who cried wofl".

Yes, there is a balance to be struck here. Why do I have to explain this to you as if you were sub 90 IQ. Look at what is going on, it's absolute insanity, already the damage is monumental, and you are still going "Trump derangement syndrome" like some sort of cucked NPC who hasn't been given enough lines of dialogue to be gifted with even a semblance of intelligence and agency.

 

For the love of God, look at what is happening in your country. You criminalized abortion, your president is spreading literal russian propaganda and completely fabricated information. Elon Musk, the richest man alive, has complete control over the most meaningful information technology in your country, and is blatantly using it to spread his own agenda and propagandize the entire world, and is now in charge of the very institutions (and dismantling them as we speak) which are supposed to put a check on his oligarchal power. Donald Trump is literally doing everything he possibly can to dismantle your democracy and all checks on power you have. 

You can't just treat politics like a wrestling match. This is real life, people are actually dying, right now, because of all the things Donald Trump has done.

Edited yesterday at 12:49 AM by Scholar

[Scholar]

16 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Decay into corruption is a never-ending problem. All systems decay over time. So Spiral Dynamics is not enough to save us. Non-corruption should never be taken for granted, as if it will hold automatically without our effort.

There were many checks on executive power but over the last 10 years they were all corrupted away. The Congress was corrupted, the judicial was corrupted, the media was corrupted, the citizenry was corrupted.

You can't have a healthy system when every branch of the system, from public to private, is corrupted by rampant greed and selfishness. In the end, nothing governs mankind but ourselves. If every leader is going to be greedy and selfish then MAGA is what we'll get.

It is not really one person doing all this damage. The damage has been done by thousands of leaders across government, courts, business, political parties, and media -- because they are epistemically bankrupt.

Spiral Dynamics does not work in the age of social media. The dynamics have completely changed through the invention of that technology. Someone will have to build a new model on new data-sets that will be relevant to the 21st century and beyond. While some things might still hold true, the evolutionary pathways are completely altered simply because of the new ways identities get to express themselves in this environment.

[Elliott]

-The courts will shut him down on anything serious

-Congress, yes, Republican congress would shut him down on anything serious, all it takes is a phone call from Senate Leader Thune

 

 

 

-Law enforcement or military will not follow unlawful orders, they would personally be held accountable, nor would they want to, you all are too consumed in some made up narrative about maga or whatever.

-the people will not let him do anything serious

 

He will fuck up the epa, doj, doe,.... elections have consequences. This is D E M O C R A C Y, the majority of the country disagrees with you.... you don't understand them at all.... you think that you do....

Republicans cannot object to Trump until he crosses the line, it would harm them, don't mistake this as a unified 3rd reich, there are fractures that they try not to show.

Edited yesterday at 01:09 AM by Elliott

[Leo Gura]

19 minutes ago, Scholar said:

Spiral Dynamics does not work in the age of social media. The dynamics have completely changed through the invention of that technology. Someone will have to build a new model on new data-sets that will be relevant to the 21st century and beyond. While some things might still hold true, the evolutionary pathways are completely altered simply because of the new ways identities get to express themselves in this environment.

It does work, but people are easily influenced and brainwashed via social media. You can take a stage Orange-Green person and radicalize him through social media to hate Green and vote Blue-Orange. That's basically what has happened. Corrupt media has poisoned peoples' minds against Green. It is easy to demagogue and propagandize an ignorant and selfish populace, especially on social media platforms which reward rage-bait, reptile-brained content feeding into peoples' deepest biases to maximize profit.

The American populace's development level is pretty evenly split between Orange-Blue and Orange-Green. So all it takes is a bit of social media influence to tip the scales. And it's always easier to tip the scale down than up because of gravity.

Edited yesterday at 01:10 AM by Leo Gura

[Scholar]

The reality is that all of this is literally fueled by conservitards who cannot let go of the past. They do not want to watch their depraved, outdated, unnatural, unsophisticated and self-serving world views die. But their world views are doomed to die, because of how corrupt and depraved they are.

But to hang on a little longer, they are willing to make a deal with the devil. You can see this with people like Ben Shapiro, who know that Trump is utterly corrupt and a threat to american democracy. But after realizing he will run again for president, his tune changed. Suddenly he would not speak ill of Trump, because if Trump loses, it means the progressive win, which means his conservitard world view is one step closer to extinction.

You have to understand that people like him are perfectly willing to risk seeing the world burn in hopes that they can maintain their cherishes view of the world. This is what identity fundamentally entails.

 

This is why progress must come slowly, almost invisibly. When the conservatives notice their certain doom, they resist, and they often resist to such a degree that the only solution becomes war. So, for most of history progress comes in such small steps that the conservatives don't even know that their worldviews are fading away.

But now they do know, they are self-aware enough to realize that every step of progress, no matter how mundane, will eventually spell their doom. They understand this, so that's why they will resist everything that is progressive, in an utterly mindless fashion. 

 

Remember, the conservatives of today are the progressives of the yesterday, and the progressives of today are the conservatives of tomorrow. Conservatives do not stand up for the "values of the past", they stand up for the values they grew up with, which are values that progressives had fought for. You don't see a lot of conservaties engaging only in missionary sex because it is the most conducive to procreation. You don't hear them condemn rock-n-roll. You hear them plapper about what is unfamiliar to them, what they personally have not grown to understand as the common world.

This is why conservatism is fundamentally self-serving and egotistical. It is all about maintaining your personal timecapsule of the world as you have come to understand and love it during your childhood.

[Leo Gura]

18 minutes ago, Scholar said:

will eventually spell their doom. They understand this

I suggest that they don't understand this. They feel the threat, but they are in such deep denial that they honestly think they will win the battle. Which is why they fight it so hard.

Take Jordan Peterson, for example. I'm sure he believes that he will defeat the Wokes/Greens. He probably feels he's well on the way to achieving that goal with the victory of Trump/Musk. It's a very powerful illusion of victory because in the short-term is seems like it's working, but of course in the long-term it will fail. But Jordan Peterson will be dead by that time, so from his POV he will fee like he won. Which is the whole point: to feel like you won until death. To stall out the clock.

Think of Osama Bin Laden or Hitler or Putin or the Confederate South. These people honestly think that their worldview will win in the end. They go to their graves thinking they were right.

It's an elaborate self-deception.

Edited yesterday at 01:30 AM by Leo Gura