Can solipsism be proven or disproven?

[ActualizedJohn]

Is there any way to prove or disprove solipsism? I definitely believe it’s impossible to ever know. 

[OBEler]

@ActualizedJohn I can recommend watching Leo's infinity of god video where he answers your questions pretty good.

[ActualizedJohn]

15 minutes ago, OBEler said:

@ActualizedJohn I can recommend watching Leo's infinity of god video where he answers your questions pretty good.

I didn’t understand that one that much. @OBEler

Edited Tuesday at 07:35 PM by ActualizedJohn

[UnbornTao]

You're focused on the wrong thing. I'd say go for what's actually true, whatever that turns out to be, not for intellect, or a theory to believe in. 

[ActualizedJohn]

12 minutes ago, UnbornTao said:

You're focused on the wrong thing. I'd say go for what's actually true, whatever that turns out to be, not for intellect, or a theory to believe in. 

But how is it ever possible to know what’s true?

[OBEler]

@ActualizedJohn you must raise your consciousness so that you become so conscious that there is no doubt. Psychedelics (especially 5 Meos like 5 Meo DMT, -malt, -mipt ) are the most efficient tool for that. However this is not for beginners so research carefully.

It's beyond your intellect only an awakening experience will get you to that.

 

[UnbornTao]

On 18/2/2025 at 7:58 PM, ActualizedJohn said:

But how is it ever possible to know what’s true?

By becoming conscious of it. You do that through questioning, opening yourself up to a genuine experience or insight of whatever's the case. Here we're talking your nature, so wonder about who you are, and what you are.

Edited 22 hours ago by UnbornTao

[Yimpa]

The distinction between self and other must collapse.

[ActualizedJohn]

21 hours ago, OBEler said:

@ActualizedJohn you must raise your consciousness so that you become so conscious that there is no doubt. Psychedelics (especially 5 Meos like 5 Meo DMT, -malt, -mipt ) are the most efficient tool for that. However this is not for beginners so research carefully.

It's beyond your intellect only an awakening experience will get you to that.

 

So trust an experience? What if one you have the realization, there is deeper to go? How will you know if you’ve ever gone deep enough to discover the “final” truth?

[Inliytened1]

On 2/18/2025 at 1:16 PM, ActualizedJohn said:

Is there any way to prove or disprove solipsism? I definitely believe it’s impossible to ever know. 

It cannot be disproven because all you have is your direct experience.   It cannot be proven because all you have is your direct experience. 

Consider that Absolute Truth is prior to proof.  

Edited Wednesday at 08:30 PM by Inliytened1

[OBEler]

3 hours ago, ActualizedJohn said:

So trust an experience? What if one you have the realization, there is deeper to go? How will you know if you’ve ever gone deep enough to discover the “final” truth?

That is a good question.

But with direct experience you come closer to truth rather than philosophical thoughts about that. Your ego mind is too limited for that.

You can experience every time with 5 Meo malt solipsismus if you take a certain dose. If you experience something deeper than that please share.

Edited Wednesday at 08:43 PM by OBEler

[Inliytened1]

22 hours ago, Yimpa said:

The distinction between self and other must collapse.

All distinctions ultimately break down 

[ActualizedJohn]

42 minutes ago, OBEler said:

If you experience something deeper than that please share.

Leo did, it was infinity of gods

[OBEler]

11 minutes ago, ActualizedJohn said:

Leo did, it was infinity of gods

Yes. But it was just a deeper version of solipsismus.

But who knows where you come out if you go even deeper than that if possible.

[Inliytened1]

28 minutes ago, ActualizedJohn said:

Leo did, it was infinity of gods

This wasn't something new really.  He just emphasized that if you imagine other minds exist they do..as imagination is literal reality.  And that whether it was actual or not you could never know because any notion of other minds ultimately exists in your own mind.

But see that last part in that video is incorrect.  Ultimately you are alone and Sovereign as God.  Other minds only exist within your own Mind.    And you can discover this is Absolutely True.   But it is also Absolutely True that if you imagine other Minds that they exist.  But this is only so long as your own Mind holds them as real.  Your Mind never stopped being Sovereign and nowhere is it saying that other minds are actual.  They become real - but never actual.

He tried to rationalize it that they could possibly exist independent of his own Mind - actually - so he came up with the theory that if there were actual other Infinite God's that you would never be able to know.  This ultimately is bogus because the point of this work is that you can answer all existential questions.

The problem with Leo spiritually speaking is that he got to the bottom of reality but he didn't like it.  So he tried to create fillers and other answers such as aliens and infinite Gods.  He found the answers.  He just didn't like them.

Edited Wednesday at 09:52 PM by Inliytened1

[Ishanga]

16 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

This wasn't something new really.  He just emphasized that if you imagine other minds exist they do..as imagination is literal reality.  And that whether it was actual or not you could never know because any notion of other minds ultimately exists in your own mind.

But see that last part in that video is incorrect.  Ultimately you are alone and Sovereign as God.  Other minds only exist within your own Mind.    And you can discover this is Absolutely True.   But it is also Absolutely True that if you imagine other Minds that they exist.  But this is only so long as your own Mind holds them as real.  Your Mind never stopped being soverign and nowhere is it saying that other minds are actual.  They become real - but never actual.

He tried to rationalize it that they could possibly exist independent of his own Mind - actually - so he came up with the theory that if there were actual other Infinite God's that you would never be able to know.  This ultimately is bogus because the point of this work is that you can answer all existential questions.

The problem with Leo spiritually speaking is that he got to the bottom of reality but he didn't like it.  So he tried to create fillers and other answers such as aliens and infinite Gods.  He found the answers.  And he just didn't like them.

This only exists in Your Experience, if You had no ability to really experience, like when You were a new born, then all of this is just bla bla bla, now You've had Experiences over the time span of Your Life, so it is true that all of Your Experiences only happen within You, You or any of Us have never experienced anything outside of Ourselves, in that aspect alone Solipsism is True, but that is on the Experience level only, You can't deny that there are other Bodies with their own Unique Experiences and the above is the same for them.  

This is really not a question of "Am I the only One in existence", its a questions of "What is the nature of Being Human or any Life Form", the nature of Being Human is that we are all fundamentally the same within ourselves, Absolute/God/Brahman is present in all things, living and dead, again I'll use the eg of a Bubble of Air, Air is Brahman, Bubble is Body, Mind, Material, Karma, Duality, Creation in all its trillions of forms, it all comes from ONE source, but its diversified on this level of Reality, in that aspect we are many, in Absolute there is only One but no Body, no Life is present, just Potential and Possibility... Everyone here that buys into Solipsism as meaning Only I Exist, is talking from Absolute level of Reality but they are not present completely in that Reality, since they have a Body and Mind to deal with, only Experientially can they touch that aspect of Reality, and not everyone is in that Experience obviously!

Edited Wednesday at 09:57 PM by Ishanga

[Inliytened1]

4 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

This only exists in Your Experience,

Dude..what doesn't exist in Your experience!  

6 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

You can't deny that there are other Bodies with their own Unique Experiences and the above is the same for them.  

 

Of course i can - because all of that is occurring..within your own Mind.  You'll never be able to say otherwise no matter how you try.   That's the whole debate as to why Solipsism cannot be disproven.    Another Being's existence can be known only by analogy.   From Wikipedia:

Solipsism (/ˈsɒlɪpsɪzəm/ ⓘ SOLL-ip-siz-əm; from Latin solus 'alone' and ipse 'self')[1] is the philosophical idea that only one's mind is sure to exist. As an epistemological position, solipsism holds that knowledge of anything outside one's own mind is unsure; the external world and other minds cannot be known and might not exist outside the mind.

 

[Ishanga]

On 2/18/2025 at 3:13 PM, OBEler said:

@ActualizedJohn you must raise your consciousness so that you become so conscious that there is no doubt. Psychedelics (especially 5 Meos like 5 Meo DMT, -malt, -mipt ) are the most efficient tool for that. However this is not for beginners so research carefully.

It's beyond your intellect only an awakening experience will get you to that.

 

Regardless of how one gets there, I would recommend that someone get there naturally via yogic methods, but that is another discussion, the Experience only happens within YOU, I have no idea when You having this experience and when, that alone proves solipsism in not true, and if You deny Experience then why take any substance or do any practice to have any affect???

We are here to Experience all that this life has to offer, some experience Grand Experiences via what You mention above, others never experience this, and non human life forms will never either, so what is the conclusion of this? That there are many not just One!

[The Crocodile]

On 2/18/2025 at 3:13 PM, OBEler said:

@ActualizedJohn you must raise your consciousness so that you become so conscious that there is no doubt. Psychedelics (especially 5 Meos like 5 Meo DMT, -malt, -mipt ) are the most efficient tool for that. However this is not for beginners so research carefully.

It's beyond your intellect only an awakening experience will get you to that.

 

You mean it's the fastest way to delude yourself into believing something somebody else told you about.

[Ishanga]

4 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

Dude..what doesn't exist in Your experience!  

Of course i can - because all of that is occurring..within your own Mind.  You'll never be able to say otherwise no matter how you try.   That's the whole debate as to why Solipsism cannot be disproven.    Another Being's existence can be known only by analogy.   From Wikipedia:

Solipsism (/ˈsɒlɪpsɪzəm/ ⓘ SOLL-ip-siz-əm; from Latin solus 'alone' and ipse 'self')[1] is the philosophical idea that only one's mind is sure to exist. As an epistemological position, solipsism holds that knowledge of anything outside one's own mind is unsure; the external world and other minds cannot be known and might not exist outside the mind.

 

You can say it all You want, You can say if You one day drop the brick on your foot that it won't hurt it won't hurt but it will hurt no matter what You say, its purely Subjective, and this is the real debate, is there such a thing as Objectivity? Well if You believe that there is nothing but Yourself and what You Experience then why post here, why have any relationships, why exist??? Or is this a part of the imaginary dream too lol.. Again those words are totally inappropriate to use IMO..

Edited Wednesday at 10:10 PM by Ishanga