Can solipsism be proven or disproven?

[OBEler]

@Ishanga "he's having a great affect on ppl, what affect are you having???"

Why did you said that to me? What does that have to do with this discussion about what's true? What has having a great affect on people to do with truth.

Edited yesterday at 12:08 AM by OBEler

[Ishanga]

Just now, OBEler said:

@Ishanga "he's having a great affect on ppl, what affect are you having???"

Why did you said that to me? What does that have to do with this discussion about what's true?

Because Your coming off like he's some sort of chump, whereas YOu are not, that is why, and maybe answer the question, what affect are you having on anyone, other than those close to You???

Your completely corrupted by Leo's teachings that is for sure, not that that is totally bad, but You look up to him too much, he's still got a ways to go, do Your own work, You know Shambhavi, do it intensely, drop the drugs, and go natural, see where it gets You...

[Yimpa]

Please watch your emotional reactions and realign your chakras. Thank you!

[OBEler]

Just now, Ishanga said:

Because Your coming off like he's some sort of chump, whereas YOu are not, that is why, and maybe answer the question, what affect are you having on anyone, other than those close to You???

Your completely corrupted by Leo's teachings that is for sure, not that that is totally bad, but You look up to him too much, he's still got a ways to go, do Your own work, You know Shambhavi, do it intensely, drop the drugs, and go natural, see where it gets You...

Hey Ishanga. Don't get stuck into teacher against teacher.

This topic is not about which teachings are best, which yoga or psychedelics are best. I don't care about Leo or sadhguru here, I think no one does but you. It's about discussing truth.

Now. If I made your sadhguru looking like a  chump I am sorry. I didn't mean that. I will make Leo look like a chump in a next post if you want. But please let's come back to discover what's truth.

 

[Carl-Richard]

"Proof" is so hijacked by intellectual notions of black-and-white logical propositions. You have to expand your notion of proof to perception and reason.

When you experience another person crying, you can cry and understand what they are feeling by virtue of that you're crying (whether it's about the same thing or simply crying). You don't see that by some logical deduction. You literally see it.

Like get seriously out of your own head and experience things. The fear that drives so many questions about solipsism (fear of detachment from other people) is created from the same thing: detachment from other people. It's like how people who are crippled by indecision and inaction simply aren't used to making decisions and actions and need to start making them more so they get used to it.

If you're stuck in your own head all the time, no wonder you go around worrying about whether the world is just inside your head.

Edited yesterday at 10:23 AM by Carl-Richard

[Ishanga]

10 hours ago, OBEler said:

Hey Ishanga. Don't get stuck into teacher against teacher.

This topic is not about which teachings are best, which yoga or psychedelics are best. I don't care about Leo or sadhguru here, I think no one does but you. It's about discussing truth.

Now. If I made your sadhguru looking like a  chump I am sorry. I didn't mean that. I will make Leo look like a chump in a next post if you want. But please let's come back to discover what's truth.

 

I was posting what I think, You came along and mention Sadhguru, and You do this often in association with whatever I post, so this is on You not Me...Please do not do that, I have my own thoughts and opinions about things, as we all do.... I think it is wise to agree to disagree..

[zurew]

On 2025. 02. 18. at 8:16 PM, ActualizedJohn said:

Is there any way to prove or disprove solipsism? I definitely believe it’s impossible to ever know. 

There are multiple different things not just solipsism that seem to be close to impossible to prove or to disprove (if those terms like 'prove' and 'disprove' are defined in an inferential sense) . If you only care about inferential justification, then you should probably stay agnostic about a big set of metaphysical claims (including whether  solipsism is true or false) But if you are okay with non-inferential justification or if you don't care about inferential justification, then there might be ways to get around it .

Direct experience could be potentially categorized under "non-inferential justification" , but I personally still have issues with how the term 'direct experience' is used, because it seem to be used in a vague way and sometimes people seem to be using the term in different ways (because one person can claim that direct experience "proves" that solipsism is true and another can say  that direct experience proves/tells you that a completely different metaphysics is true).

Edited 1 hour ago by zurew

[UnbornTao]

[Xonas Pitfall]

It can! However, ultimately, you need to decide what "proof" is good enough for you.

If I tell you, Hey! Pluto exists, look at it through the telescope, and if you refuse to look, then you will never get your proof. Maybe you're such an overly skeptical person that you'd think I photoshopped images of Pluto or stamped some fake projection onto the telescope. In that case, you'd need to physically invest in becoming an astronaut - training, getting the money, waiting for your turn to be flown out to space - and only then could you finally prove it to yourself. That would take years of investment, effort, and cash.

So, if you're seriously looking to prove something that is so radically reality-shifting, then you need to invest the appropriate time - doing the contemplation work, deconstructing your values, narratives, and opinions about what you think the world is, and engaging in lots and lots of psychedelics, meditation, yoga, breathing techniques, or whatever you can get yourself into. (Even Leo himself recommends a solid 250+ breakthrough-dose trips of 5-MeO-DMT, which is quite a hefty amount.)

Good luck!