Can solipsism be proven or disproven?

[Ishanga]

What if the word Solipsism and the definition of it never entered Your world, your mind, but You had the Grand Experience, maybe You would think I am Everything, Everything is Me, meaning that the many all comes back to One, it doesn't deny anything...

[Inliytened1]

6 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

You can say it all You want, You can say if You one day drop the brick on your foot that it won't hurt it won't hurt but it will hurt no matter what You say, its purely Subjective, and this is the real debate, is there such a thing as Objectivity? Well if You believe that there is nothing but Yourself and what You Experience then why post here, why have any relationships, why exist??? Or is this a part of the imaginary dream too lol.. Again those words are totally inappropriate to use IMO..

We are discussing the structure of reality.   We aren't asking why it is like that.  Thats a very bad trap.  If you start to get emotional or hold bias as to why it's a certain way or why we aren't acting a certain way then you are further prevented from ever actually discovering the Truth for yourself.  Don't worry about why I'm doing something.   Remember in the post above I stated that if you imagine other minds exist then that becomes reality.  Well, this isn't any different.   The structure of reality can be a certain way yet we can imagine it to be any way that we want so that we can have the particular reality we want.  And then that becomes our reality until such time as we deem it is enough. 

Edited Wednesday at 10:16 PM by Inliytened1

[Ishanga]

Just now, Inliytened1 said:

We are discussing the structure of reality.   We aren't asking why it is like that.  Thats a very bad trap.  If you start to get emotional or hold bias as to why it's a certain way or why we aren't acting a certain way then you are a further prevented from ever actually discovering the Truth for yourself.  Don't worry about why I'm doing something.   Remember in the post above I stated that if you imagine other minds are exist then that becomes reality.  Well, this isn't any different.   The structure of reality can be a certain way yet we can imagine it to be anyway that we want so that we can have the particular reality we want.  And then that becomes our reality until such time as we deem it is enough. 

There are MANY structures to reality lol, and our minds will never understand it completely, we don't even understand a tiny Atom completely, never mind the Reality of Everything, so what You say above is just another ideology.. I don't have really an ideology, I just say that Absolute/God/Brahman is Potential and Possibility, whatever You believe in is just that a Potential, what the nay sayer believes in is their Possibility, somewhere in existence maybe there is just a You and You are imagining everything else like in Matrix, maybe not I don't know, but to actually buy into this I am the Only one in Existence as an Absolute certainty is insane!!

[OBEler]

43 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

 

But see that last part in that video is incorrect.  Ultimately you are alone and Sovereign as God.  Other minds only exist within your own Mind.    And you can discover this is Absolutely True.   But it is also Absolutely True that if you imagine other Minds that they exist.  But this is only so long as your own Mind holds them as real.  Your Mind never stopped being Sovereign and nowhere is it saying that other minds are actual.  They become real - but never actual.

He tried to rationalize it that they could possibly exist independent of his own Mind - actually - so he came up with the theory that if there were actual other Infinite God's that you would never be able to know.  This ultimately is bogus because the point of this work is that you can answer all existential questions.

I think you are falling in a trap or are misunderstanding his video. 

How do you come to the conclusion something is bogus just because it doesn't fit in your assumption that you can answer all existential questions. How do you even know that this is possible to know everything.

 

 

[Inliytened1]

12 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

There are MANY structures to reality lol, and our minds will never understand it completely, we don't even understand a tiny Atom completely, never mind the Reality of Everything, 

This is extremely contradictory to the work we do here.  Here - it is possible to know the Truth.  To Become the Truth.  Here, all existential questions are answered.  This is beyond all philosophy classes you attended in College.  If you truly want to know the answers to the nature of reality then we can guide you there, here.

 

Edited Wednesday at 10:32 PM by Inliytened1

[Inliytened1]

4 minutes ago, OBEler said:

I think you are falling in a trap or are misunderstanding his video. 

How do you come to the conclusion something is bogus just because it doesn't fit in your assumption that you can answer all existential questions. How do you even know that this is possible to know everything.

 

Well..its not really an assumption.  All questions can indeed be answered.   At least that's my claim.  They can be answered definitively.  This was the objective of the work being done here and I stand by it.  I stand by it by not only my own intuition but by becoming Absolutely Omniscient.  I think Leo got lost with that last video and was reaching out because he didn't like the ultimate answers he found.  You can of course hold your own opinion but that's my take.

@Leo Gura why don't you chime in big guy?

[Hojo]

The answer is always not that. If it has to be proven its not it. Once you see it you cant talk about it. Solipsism is a concept you are getting tangled it. It only could be solipsism when you aren't seeing it. Its bigger than solipsism but you can't know and when you know it's already gone. I was watching a scientist claim it as virtual machines all the way down. You aren't the only virtual machine but you are the hard drive pretending to be a virtual machine Gods hard drive can contain infinite partitions that become their own virtual machines. 'Solipsism' is just seeing you were just pretending to be a virtual partition on an infinitely large harddrive. But its also not that. Everyone is as real as you think you are and there is always more. GOD means always more. That means solipsism is true until its not.

Edited yesterday at 12:25 AM by Hojo

[OBEler]

10 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

There are MANY structures to reality lol, and our minds will never understand it completely, we don't even understand a tiny Atom completely, never mind the Reality of Everything, so what You say above is just another ideology.. I don't have really an ideology, I just say that Absolute/God/Brahman is Potential and Possibility, whatever You believe in is just that a Potential, what the nay sayer believes in is their Possibility, somewhere in existence maybe there is just a You and You are imagining everything else like in Matrix, maybe not I don't know, but to actually buy into this I am the Only one in Existence as an Absolute certainty is insane!!

You don't have really an ideology? Are you sure? Everything outside of sadhgurus dogma you claim as insane. We give you the best contradictions to your example with the bridge and you still don't want to hear that because it just sounds insane for you and then you stop there rather than thinking for yourself and try to argument. You cannot have original thoughts. They all probably come from sadhguru.

You are not interested in truth at all just what feels good for you. And that's the difference to what we do here.

[OBEler]

2 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

Well..its not really an assumption.  All questions can indeed be answered.   At least that's my claim.  They can be answered definitively.  This was the objective of the work being done here and I stand by it.  I stand by it by not only my own intuition but by becoming Absolutely Omniscient.  I think Leo got lost with that last video and was reaching out because he didn't like the ultimate answers he found.  You can of course hold your own opinion but that's my take.

@Leo Gura why don't you chime in big guy?

 

"Well..its not really an assumption.  All questions can indeed be answered by becoming Absolutely Omniscient "

You can claim that but it's still an assumption. Because you can be only absolutely omniscient in your bubble. What's outside? You say there can't be an outside. Yes for you can't be an outside. But there could be things existing outside of you independently and souvereign. You don't know. Even if you are infinity. There could be infinity outside infinity with the same infinity like you.

[Inliytened1]

1 minute ago, OBEler said:

There could be infinity outside infinity with the same infinity like you.

But that will always be within your own Mind.  

Thus..it only exists in your mind.  You can imagine a whole life it has.  And also you can imagine it dying..  in the end it could exist and then die or even be immortal.  But it will only ever exist within your existence.   Thats not a bug, it's a feature. 

[Ishanga]

16 minutes ago, OBEler said:

You don't have really an ideology? Are you sure? Everything outside of sadhgurus dogma you claim as insane. We give you the best contradictions to your example with the bridge and you still don't want to hear that because it just sounds insane for you and then you stop there rather than thinking for yourself and try to argument. You cannot have original thoughts. They all probably come from sadhguru.

You are not interested in truth at all just what feels good for you. And that's the difference to what we do here.

Then why late last year did I start a thread with this guy and its about Taoism?? Why would I even be watching his videos if I was so entrenched with Sadhguru??? I think You are the one that is obsessed or misguided, look at the evidence and see but You can't, your caught up in experiential belief, which is still belief which is not really knowing!!!

 

[Ishanga]

23 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

This is extremely contradictory to the work we do here.  Here - it is possible to know the Truth.  To Become the Truth.  Here, all existential questions are answered.  This is beyond all philosophy classes you attended in College.  If you truly want to know the answers to the nature of reality then we can guide you there, here.

 

What answers, to what questions, the question or knowing is not really the end of what most here are looking for, so I don't buy into that this place is that.. plus intellectually there is only minimal knowing, all the answers are already within Each Person, coming here to find the answers is the wrong way of doing it, just be Still and Quiet and the answers will come to One that really wants to know, but can they do that???

[Inliytened1]

11 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

What answers, to what questions, the question or knowing is not really the end of what most here are looking for, so I don't buy into that this place is that.. plus intellectually there is only minimal knowing, all the answers are already within Each Person, coming here to find the answers is the wrong way of doing it, just be Still and Quiet and the answers will come to One that really wants to know, but can they do that???

The groundwork is laid down here and then yes you are correct - ultimately the answers are found within yourself.  But you can get a great spiritual framework here if you start at the beginning and work your way up

But I think Leo needs to go back and redo some of the videos and finish/wrap everything up.  He's like Tolkein - he never finished the trilogy.   Still waiting on the book.  I don't need it but some do. 

There was some of the most brilliant stuff ever created here - beyond physics and even Einstein's and Bohr's work here.  This is some of the best work in philosophy and metaphysics that you guys will ever find anywhere.   Don't waste it.

Edited Wednesday at 11:08 PM by Inliytened1

[Ishanga]

1 minute ago, Inliytened1 said:

The groundwork is laid down here and then yes you are correct - ultimately the answers are found within yourself.  But you can get a great spiritual framework here if you start at the beginning and work your way up

But I think Leo needs to go back and redo some of the videos and finish/wrap everything up.  He's like Tolkein - he never finished the trilogy.   Still waiting on the book.  I don't need it but some do. 

Well this is one place to investigate, there are others, this forum has a variety of subject matters to investigate and many perspective are shared shared, I think in some cases its too extreme, too many perspectives can lead one to major confusion as to where to begin and start their action towards knowing, much better IMO to use established methods, that are time proven and give experiential step by step gains in experiential knowing (not intellectual), not grand steps that lead to maybe fear and anxiousness or more confusion...

[OBEler]

39 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

Then why late last year did I start a thread with this guy and its about Taoism?? Why would I even be watching his videos if I was so entrenched with Sadhguru??? I think You are the one that is obsessed or misguided, look at the evidence and see but You can't, your caught up in experiential belief, which is still belief which is not really knowing!!!

 

Can't you see what I meant by that, of course I don't mean that so radical that you only watch sadhguru. 

It doesn't matter if you have all your dogma adopted from only sadhguru or also from another teachers which are similar to sadhgurus. You are picking up complementary dogmas which makes you feel good and you don't have original thoughts. And that's difficult to discuss with you because as soon there is an argument against your dogma you just call it insane. That's a good sign of holding a dogma.

 

Edited Wednesday at 11:34 PM by OBEler

[Ishanga]

15 minutes ago, OBEler said:

Can't you see what I meant by that, of course I don't mean that so radical that you only watch sadhguru. 

It doesn't matter if you have all your dogma adopted from only sadhguru or also from another teachers which are similar to sadhgurus. You are picking up complementary dogmas which makes you feel good and you don't have original thoughts. And that's difficult to discuss with you because as soon there is an argument against your dogma you just call it insane. That's a good sign of holding a dogma.

 

OMG man there is no reasoning with You, go watch another Leo video okay...

You make it sound like Sadhguru is some sort of chump too, he's just the most popular Yogi of the modern day, consecrates temples, initiates millions, whether You buy into this stuff or not, he's having a great affect on ppl, what affect are you having???

P.S. You as well spew lots of dogma, Your go to is "Try 5 meo, that will do it for You", lol this is hypocritical with Your types...

Edited Wednesday at 11:38 PM by Ishanga

[Ishanga]

Anyways Solipsism can be easily Disproven, just see above:):):)

[OBEler]

47 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

But that will always be within your own Mind.  

Thus..it only exists in your mind.  You can imagine a whole life it has.  And also you can imagine it dying..  in the end it could exist and then die or even be immortal.  But it will only ever exist within your existence.   Thats not a bug, it's a feature. 

"But it will only ever exist within your existence.  "

It will for ME exists in my existence. Yes.

But what if we switch perspective for a moment and take a meta perspective between my existence and other existences . Yes I hold this meta perspective in my mind. Yes I don't know. But just because I am forever locked in my existence doesn't mean that there are no existences outside  my existence. Even if my existence is infinity there could be a copy of infinity outside of my existence.

[OBEler]

23 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

OMG man there is no reasoning with You, go watch another Leo video okay...

You make it sound like Sadhguru is some sort of chump too, he's just the most popular Yogi of the modern day, consecrates temples, initiates millions, whether You buy into this stuff or not, he's having a great affect on ppl, what affect are you having???

P.S. You as well spew lots of dogma, Your go to is "Try 5 meo, that will do it for You", lol this is hypocritical with Your types...

@Ishanga I give you some advice: if you really want to come closer to truth you should not follow someone's thoughts just because he is popular. History should have teached you that the most popular don't always hold the truth (Hitler for example).

Your answer makes you even more dogmatic. Instead of bringing a reasonable argument you say sadhguru must be right because he has so much follower and I am not popular so my argument has not any worth.

With 5 Meo: I speak from own experience and share the best tools for that besides contemplating and thinking for yourself. That's not dogma at all. I am open to other great tools but haven't found so far better ones so this is what I recommend.

 

 

 

 

Edited yesterday at 12:03 AM by OBEler

[Ishanga]

6 minutes ago, OBEler said:

@Ishanga I give you some advice: if you really want to come closer to truth you should not follow someone's thoughts just because he is popular. History should have teached you that the most popular don't always hold the truth (Hitler for example).

Your answer makes you even more dogmatic. Instead of bringing a reasonable argument you say sadhguru must be right because he has so much follower and I am not popular so my argument has not any worth.

 

 

 

 

Lol, so know you think he's got nothing to offer, now I really know what Your about, but ppl should listen to You, what do You have to offer other than a personal experience?

Where did I say I follow him because of Popularity??? I watched his vids back in 2010, they sounded logical, made sense to me, did the basic practice, it did wonders to me in 2 weeks, did the IE program, more wonders after that, so where does the question of popularity arise here when I have tested the methods??

Once again Your own belief in your own self made dogma reveals itself, feel sorry for You!!!

You psychedelic freaks, you have a very pronounced narcissism, most all of You have a way of talking down to someone that doesn't follow your path, do you know this??

Edited yesterday at 12:05 AM by Ishanga