Deconstructing Buddhism & Spiritual Fantasy

[r0ckyreed]

One of the obvious assumptions with Buddhism is that it conflates survival and the elimination of suffering with Absolute Truth.

But one of the problems with Buddhism is that, at the end of the day, would Buddha prioritize eliminating suffering or Truth? If Truth brought more suffering to mankind, would he actually advise mankind to pursue it?

This is the main crux of the problem with Buddhism. Other than that, Buddhism is a useful fantasy. Falsehood can be beneficial. If falsehood wasn't beneficial, then people would not engage in it.

Truth is not beneficial. It is what it is. Does Buddha teach a path to Truth or a path to happiness?

If "truth" makes you happy and feel good, it most likely is falsehood.

People don't get that to pursue truth is to pursue disillusionment and derealization. If you aren't getting disillusioned, then you may not be unraveling all the delusions deeply enough. Once you go through the work of deconstructing all that is false, there is empty meaninglessness left. To build a meaningful life and play the game of survival requires that you engage in some form of fantasy. I now understand why nobody pursues Truth because it burns all of your pet theories, meditation, and fantasy. It shows you just how meaningless and selfish you are, and nobody wants to see that. But what is missed is that truth and understanding can be very liberating at the same time because of how deep your connection to reality will be. There is something very liberating when you deconstruct all your delusions and allow yourself to process the meaninglessness of life. If you cannot handle solipsism and meaninglessness, then what you are pursuing is not truth but some kind of spiritual safety blanket. The pursuit of Truth is for a spiritual masochist. 

Truth is the scariest thing to pursue. I am still trying to find the "rewards." The whole notion of a "reward" is falsehood and counter to truth.

You don't pursue truth because of a reward. You pursue truth because you want to understand reality as it is. That is its own "reward."

Just some thought.

Edited Tuesday at 02:27 PM by r0ckyreed

[Someone here]

@r0ckyreed give me an example of a Truth you know. 

[Aaron p]

There are very real rewards. Most notable ones Ive been able to grasp is

1-superknowledge

2-perpetual bliss (and we're talking untold levels of bliss)

3-Immortality.

 

Also it solves all problems in existence. But don't try do it if you aren't ready, you'll just fuck yourself up. 

[JosephKnecht]

1 hour ago, r0ckyreed said:

One of the obvious assumptions with Buddhism is that it conflates survival and the elimination of suffering with Absolute Truth.

But one of the problems with Buddhism is that, at the end of the day, would Buddha prioritize eliminating suffering or Truth? If Truth brought more suffering to mankind, would he actually advise mankind to pursue it?

This is the main crux of the problem with Buddhism. Other than that, Buddhism is a useful fantasy. Falsehood can be beneficial. If falsehood wasn't beneficial, then people would not engage in it.

Truth is not beneficial. It is what it is. Does Buddha teach a path to Truth or a path to happiness?

If "truth" makes you happy and feel good, it most likely is falsehood.

People don't get that to pursue truth is to pursue disillusionment and derealization. If you aren't getting disillusioned, then you may not be unraveling all the delusions deeply enough. Once you go through the work of deconstructing all that is false, there is empty meaninglessness left. To build a meaningful life and play the game of survival requires that you engage in some form of fantasy. I now understand why nobody pursues Truth because it burns all of your pet theories, meditation, and fantasy. It shows you just how meaningless and selfish you are, and nobody wants to see that. But what is missed is that truth and understanding can be very liberating at the same time because of how deep your connection to reality will be. There is something very liberating when you deconstruct all your delusions and allow yourself to process the meaninglessness of life. If you cannot handle solipsism and meaninglessness, then what you are pursuing is not truth but some kind of spiritual safety blanket. The pursuit of Truth is for a spiritual masochist. 

Truth is the scariest thing to pursue. I am still trying to find the "rewards." The whole notion of a "reward" is falsehood and counter to truth.

You don't pursue truth because of a reward. You pursue truth because you want to understand reality as it is. That is its own "reward."

Just some thought.

There are too many thoughts above.

You can't deconstruct Buddhism through thinking. 

You can only deconstruct it without thinking. Now try that. 

[gettoefl]

Things have to get darker before the dawn starts to appear. The problem is the you who wants to be happy. Buddhism shows you how to realize this you is nothing. In other words how to shrink that you to nothing and then in the dawn the everything has a chance to come. It's a good path. There are others that are good too. 

[Eskilon]

2 hours ago, r0ckyreed said:

One of the obvious assumptions with Buddhism is that it conflates survival and the elimination of suffering with Absolute Truth.

This is a wrong assessment of Buddhism. The cessation of suffering(Dukkha) is the path one takes through meditation and awareness. This path of letting go of the ego, eventually will lead to the ultimate Truth. So is not that Buddhism conflates the two, is that the two are interconnected. You can't really suffer if you know the Truth, you definately can if you do not.

Edited Tuesday at 04:35 PM by Eskilon

[r0ckyreed]

4 hours ago, Someone here said:

@r0ckyreed give me an example of a Truth you know. 

That consciousness is infinitely mysterious, entirely empty, and without meaning, but yet constructs meaning out of fantasy.

[r0ckyreed]

3 hours ago, Aaron p said:

There are very real rewards. Most notable ones Ive been able to grasp is

1-superknowledge

2-perpetual bliss (and we're talking untold levels of bliss)

3-Immortality.

 

Also it solves all problems in existence. But don't try do it if you aren't ready, you'll just fuck yourself up. 

“Reward” is a construction based on the ego, false self. All that you mention there is about survival and ego. Superknowledge, bliss, and immortality are ultimately meaningless in the Absolute. Reward has to do with survival and is relative and not Absolute.

[Aaron p]

34 minutes ago, r0ckyreed said:

“Reward” is a construction based on the ego, false self. All that you mention there is about survival and ego. Superknowledge, bliss, and immortality are ultimately meaningless in the Absolute. Reward has to do with survival and is relative and not Absolute.

Lol ..yea