2025 German Federal Elections 🇩🇪

[Husseinisdoingfine]

17 hours ago, Contrast said:

Here is my assessment of the parties spiral dynamics stages:

AfD: Pure Blue, and maybe with a bit of Red

CDU: a mix of mostly Blue and Orange

FDP: Pure Orange

Greens: Green (duh), and maybe with a bit of Yellow

Linke: Pure Green

BSW: Green and Orange (i think???)

SPD: Yellow and Green

 

I will most probably vote for SPD since i see the most yellow in them, but this is just my assessment based on how i understand Spiral dynamics.

you can let me know if anyone disagrees with me on this

 

I agree with your assessments of; Linke AfD, FDP, and CDU, but disagree with your other assessments.

Greens are just green, I don’t see any yellow from them.

The SPD went through a massive neoliberal shift and have largely abandoned the socialist roots which founded the party in the 1800’s. So they were def mostly orange with some green. [ORANGE/green]

And the BSW has green economic policies and Blue social policies, making them both.

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[Contrast]

 

6 minutes ago, Husseinisdoingfine said:

I agree with your assessments of; Linke AfD, FDP, and CDU, but disagree with your other assessments.

Greens are just green, I don’t see any yellow from them.

The SPD went through a massive neoliberal shift and have largely abandoned the socialist roots which founded the party in the 1800’s. So they were def mostly orange with some green. 

And the BSW has green economic policies and Blue social policies, making them both.

I have personally attended Conferences for the greens and when i hear them speak and see thier policies, most of them come accross as resonable and calculated. they are not mere hippies as far as i am concerned, especially when i hear Habek speak (the leader of the party)

as for SPD, they did a lot for the welfare state, and i have personally enjoyed a lot of the worker benefits that they advecate for constantly. so i dont think the abandand social democracy at all. 

if anything, most people are not voting for them anymore because they think they went too far left, and that they damaged the economy in the process, which might have some truth to it.

[Nilsi]

4 hours ago, Husseinisdoingfine said:

I would love if more German users could give their perspectives.

What's the situation of the ground in the Fatherland. Why is the AfD so so popular, and with whom? Who are you going to vote for, and why?

The AfD is blatantly copying the strategy that got Trump elected, and if you understand why Trump works, you understand their rise. Beneath the nationalist rhetoric and xenophobia, they push a largely neoliberal agenda - favoring tax cuts and deregulation while throwing in selective social policies, like pro-family incentives and pension reforms, to broaden their appeal. They claim to represent the working class, but beyond vague notions of leaving the EU and reinstating a national currency, they offer no real solutions to improve people’s lives.

Meanwhile, Europe is in economic decline. The U.S. has systematically pressured its allies to sever key economic ties - discouraging trade with China, sabotaging energy deals with Russia, and pushing for stricter tech restrictions. And now, under Trump, the U.S. is openly questioning its military commitments to Europe - threatening NATO withdrawal, pulling troops from Germany, and treating security as a transactional deal rather than a given.

In Germany, living conditions have deteriorated. Inflation hit record highs, wages have failed to keep up, and the economy has stagnated into recession. Food and rent have become significantly more expensive, and industrial sectors are struggling. There’s a general sense of decline and nihilism. The AfD thrives on this despair, but beyond them, the entire political discourse has shifted rightward.

I would vote for Die Linke (the leftist party) if they hadn’t capitulated on Ukraine. Instead, I’ll be working with the SPD (the workers' party). I align with them on most policies, though, as always, they’ll keep getting fucked by the U.S. - just like the CDU (christian democrat party), who looks like they’ll take a pretty significant win. Nothing significant will change after these elections - there’s no real revolutionary force, not even a fascist one. The AfD is just neoliberalism dressed in nationalist drag, and even Die Linke has lost all of its radical force, now just as conformist on fundamental questions as the rest of the political elite (not to mention that bitch Wagenknecht, who betrayed the left to fully indulge her own disgusting populist fantasies by founding her own party).

So, in the end, a lot of noise leading nowhere.

[Raze]

1 hour ago, Nilsi said:

Meanwhile, Europe is in economic decline. The U.S. has systematically pressured its allies to sever key economic ties - discouraging trade with China, sabotaging energy deals with Russia, and pushing for stricter tech restrictions. And now, under Trump, the U.S. is openly questioning its military commitments to Europe - threatening NATO withdrawal, pulling troops from Germany, and treating security as a transactional deal rather than a given.

It’s insane Europe sacrificed so much for the US only to be backstabbed like that. I’m surprised relations are still so friendly. 
 

If Germany really has such an issue with immigrants they should just cut welfare but then use the funds saved to offer to give them a temporary payment if they move. Most of the ones that are economic burdens would leave. 

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[Something Funny]

9 hours ago, PurpleTree said:

I’m not a German.

But i think it’s clearly popular because of immigration and refugees mostly from the middle east, Turkey and North Africa. (basically Muslim countries)

Also anti woke stuff.

Oh yeah, those nasty Turkish refugees, running around, murdering people with kebabs 🤦‍♂️

[Something Funny]

8 hours ago, Schizophonia said:

Why ?

No more free movement of goods, and people, and services? 

Decreased economic power?

Decreased political influence and importance?

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[PurpleTree]

3 hours ago, Something Funny said:

Oh yeah, those nasty Turkish refugees, running around, murdering people with kebabs 🤦‍♂️

 

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[Something Funny]

@PurpleTree those are not refugees. Many of them are probably not even on a resident permit or visa, they are German citizens.

[zazen]

@Nilsi  Well articulated. The undercurrents that give rise to populism are the same as in the US and much of the West.

Essentially: Economic dislocation is the gut punch, cultural alienation is the slap to the face, and political contempt from the ruling class towards the common man is the spit on the face. This trifecta fuels populism in the West.

Even Trumps economic plan now to re-industrialise via tariffs is absurd. Tariffs only work for productive economies, not casino economies built off speculation and asset bubbles. China builds, US bets. 91% of corporate profits are directed towards shareholders which only leaves only 9% for productive uses that can benefit the common man. It's parasitic and extractive, rather than productive and creative. 91% is made up of stock buy backs to inflate stock prices and dividend pay outs to share holders.

The West rejects any attempt by the state to intervene in this. The West has financialized itself into stagnation, but its idealogical hangover from the Cold War era prevents it from using the state to course correct. Any state intervention or socialist policy to them means communism is creeping in and will end their nation in ruin. Meanwhile, countries like China understand that the state must share capital, not be enslaved by it.

The West fears state intervention like its communism, while its real problem is capital without a leash. 

A good article by Singapore diplomat Kishore Mahbubani: https://foreignpolicy.com/2025/02/18/europe-eu-nato-us-russia-ukraine/

[Schizophonia]

14 hours ago, MarkKol said:

Even if that is true and France did contribute 5 billion euros more (Germany is still the largest contributor) the food grown on German, Spanish and Polish soil ends up on your French shelves in Franprix at no additional cost because the EU countries don't impose tariffs on each other. So you're welcome. 

Perhaps it is not German products that are the problem.

14 hours ago, MarkKol said:

Which transatlantic treaty?

mercosur

14 hours ago, MarkKol said:

Because of a slower economy quite literally, AfD says the EU is too bureaucratic, you know what's really bureaucratic? thousands of trucks lined up on a German-France border because now they need customs inspection and paperwork to pass through your country. You don't border a single non-EU member state so you don't know how bad it gets, and neither does AfD. 

 

Indeed France is bureaucratic.

[Schizophonia]

6 hours ago, Something Funny said:

No more free movement of goods, and people, and services? 

Decreased economic power?

Decreased political influence and importance?

This doesn't mean anything, you don't need the European Commission to do international trade and international relations in general.

[Schizophonia]

6 hours ago, Something Funny said:

Oh yeah, those nasty Turkish refugees, running around, murdering people with kebabs 🤦‍♂️

Yes, the majority of crimes come from non-white people whether they have nationality or not; Germans also do not want to be ethnically replaced.

[PurpleTree]

1 hour ago, Something Funny said:

@PurpleTree those are not refugees. Many of them are probably not even on a resident permit or visa, they are German citizens.

I said immigrants and refugees.

[Something Funny]

3 hours ago, Schizophonia said:

This doesn't mean anything, you don't need the European Commission to do international trade and international relations in general.

Wdym it doesn't mean anything. This is literally the main idea behind the EU. This IS international relations.

Withdrawing from EU means you also withdraw from all the things I've mentioned. You definitely aren't going to keep the single market.

As well as withdrawing from potential for more integration. Like united EU military.

European comission and how it functions are just smaller level details. Nobody is saying that everything about how EU organised is perfect.

 

[Something Funny]

3 hours ago, Schizophonia said:

Germans also do not want to be ethnically replaced.

And I don't want to die. But guess what, everyone dies.

They will have to accept it sooner or later.

[Something Funny]

You all are acting like people who vote for parties like Afd have done some kind of deep thinking about it. They are just morons who got brainwashed by consuming brain rot tik tok content.

[Schizophonia]

39 minutes ago, Something Funny said:

Wdym it doesn't mean anything. This is literally the main idea behind the EU. This IS international relations.

No, it is just a state superstructure motivated by idealism, it does not bring anything more significant than normal international relations.

39 minutes ago, Something Funny said:

Withdrawing from EU means you also withdraw from all the things I've mentioned.

No

39 minutes ago, Something Funny said:

You definitely aren't going to keep the single market.

Who cares, it doesn't change anything.

39 minutes ago, Something Funny said:

As well as withdrawing from potential for more integration. Like united EU military.

Dito who cares

39 minutes ago, Something Funny said:

European comission and how it functions are just smaller level details. Nobody is saying that everything about how EU organised is perfect.

 

Btw i'm not anti-eu.

46 minutes ago, Something Funny said:

And I don't want to die. But guess what, everyone dies.

They will have to accept it sooner or later.

33 minutes ago, Something Funny said:

You all are acting like people who vote for parties like Afd have done some kind of deep thinking about it. They are just morons who got brainwashed by consuming brain rot tik tok content.

Ok lol, You're just another crazy leftist full of estrogen.

 

[Raze]

4 hours ago, Schizophonia said:

Yes, the majority of crimes come from non-white people whether they have nationality or not; Germans also do not want to be ethnically replaced.

False,

“The latest German Police Crime statistics (PKS), relating to 2022 show that the overall number of crime suspects rose by 10.7% compared to 2021. Out of the 2,093 782 crime suspects, over a million (1,309 906) had German citizenship”

[Something Funny]

7 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

No, it is just a state superstructure motivated by idealism, it does not bring anything more significant than normal international relations.

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Lol.

8 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

No

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You don't have to argue that point. We have a real world example - Britain.

9 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

Who cares, it doesn't change anything.

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People who actually have to interact with those systems. Aka - the productive part of society. 

Do you have any idea how much easier logistics within Europe are compared to moving goods to other countries? This affect literally all the shit that you buy and take for granted.

And that's just one example. 

Do you know that most truck drivers in Europe are from the Eastern Europe? And that without that delivery rates would probably double and there would be a crazy truck / driver shortage, making it really hard to move anything?

Do you know how many German firms have their factories in other European countries?

Do you know how many people live in Germany, because its cheaper, but go to work in Luxemburg?

18 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

Dito who cares

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Other big players in the world, whose economies and militaries actually matter. Like the US, and China.

19 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

Ok lol, You're just another crazy leftist full of estrogen.

 

Sure, lol.


 

[Nilsi]

21 minutes ago, Raze said:

False,

“The latest German Police Crime statistics (PKS), relating to 2022 show that the overall number of crime suspects rose by 10.7% compared to 2021. Out of the 2,093 782 crime suspects, over a million (1,309 906) had German citizenship”

Come on, that's misleading, and you know it.

Foreign nationals made up 37.4% of crime suspects in 2022 despite being only 14.6% of the population, while 62.6% of suspects were German citizens. This clearly shows a higher per-capita crime suspect rate among non-Germans.

Let’s get the facts straight - this isn't about racism. Basic sociology explains a lot of it. 

Many migrants, particularly those fleeing conflict or economic hardship, face significant challenges - cultural adaptation, economic instability, and social isolation. In certain cases, frustration, especially among young men with limited opportunities, can escalate into violence. However, this is not inherently about ethnicity or religion - those explanations are often just post hoc rationalizations used by perpetrators to make sense of a psychological rupture and, of course, serve as convenient narratives for fascist agendas.

Edited 2 hours ago by Nilsi