Debunking SOLIPSISM once and for all

[Leeo_SA]

15 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

Anyone that buys into Solipsism completely, that I am the only one in existence, everything else is a figment of my imagination is completely Narcissistic..This is Anti Spirituality, anti Life... 

Why? When you are dreaming, and you wake up then you know exactly, that you made everything up yourself. Why couldnt it be the same with our lifes?

Why you have to judge this as narcissistic, anti spiritual and anti life? Are you feeling threatened?

[Hojo]

@Leeo_SA It could even be anti narcissist. If you embrace solipsism you arent there either. Who is the narcissist if there is no one there?

[OBEler]

33 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

Anyone that buys into Solipsism completely, that I am the only one in existence, everything else is a figment of my imagination is completely Narcissistic..This is Anti Spirituality, anti Life... 

You will never get to the truth if you are so biased with your human emotions how reality should be.

[Salvijus]

2 hours ago, Leeo_SA said:

Why? When you are dreaming, and you wake up then you know exactly, that you made everything up yourself. Why couldnt it be the same with our lifes?

Even night dreams are not solipsistic. You're tapping into collective mind when you sleep. When you're dreaming of someone, you're interacting with their subconscious mind. Like if you dream of someone and the next day you meet them or they text you. Or mothers for example can dream of their children if they are in trouble and know something is off. Sometimes you can even get clear messages. Spirits can often communicate with you in your sleep etc. Because we all communicate on subconscious levels. 

Edited Monday at 03:40 PM by Salvijus

[OBEler]

3 minutes ago, Salvijus said:

Even night dreams are not solipsistic. You're tapping into collective mind when you sleep. When you're dreaming of someone, you're interacting with their subconscious mind. Like if you dream of someone and the next day you meet them or they text you etc. Or mothers for example can dream of their children if they are in trouble and know something is off. Sometimes you can even get clear messages. Because we all communicate on subconscious levels. 

That's your imagination right now which creates this story. How do you know it's the subconscious of someone.

[Salvijus]

1 hour ago, OBEler said:

How do you know it's the subconscious of someone.

Because you can get information about another person's life through dreams. Like the example I gave, when children are in trouble, mothers usually get dreams of their children and intuitively understand the message behind it. That shows that our minds communicate on the subconscious level and through dreams when we are asleep and most receptive we can get these messages about other people. You can also do this while awake too, it's just takes a bit more practice. 

Edited Monday at 03:50 PM by Salvijus

[Salvijus]

If you've mastered the art being the light, you can even participate in healing others on the subconscious plane while your body is asleep. 

[Ishanga]

1 hour ago, Leeo_SA said:

Why? When you are dreaming, and you wake up then you know exactly, that you made everything up yourself. Why couldnt it be the same with our lifes?

Why you have to judge this as narcissistic, anti spiritual and anti life? Are you feeling threatened?

The basic meaning of Solipsism is that I am the only one in existence, all others, things outside of me are from my imagination, on a Absolute level this is true, but there is no "I' on the Absolute level, there no anything , no creation, no ego, no body/mind, no anything, just pure Potential and Possibility. 

Here on this Earth, plane and realm, everything is Relative, there is You, there is Me, there is everyone and everything else, all the stuff on this world, within this solar system and galaxy and Universe, on this plane thinking or believing/knowing I am the only one in existence is narcissitic, the definition of narcissism in this context is Only I matter, I care only about I, don't care about anything else other than it serving I.. So here I exists, if You think I am the only one Your crazy...and this is becoming more rampant, Narcissism is on the rise is one of the biggest reasons why the world is the way it is, very little harmony in the Human world, but if You look outside the Human world there is Harmony everywhere and diversity too, but its all inclusive they know everything is connected and depends on one another... 

Edited Monday at 03:56 PM by Ishanga

[_Archangel_]

On 16/02/2025 at 3:22 PM, strangelooper said:

that multiple people and consciousnessess can exist through this mechanism

@strangelooper They can exist as imagination endlessly uraveling through an ever-singular POV. That's what reality tells us.
There is no way of proving Other poeple and objects have indipendent life outside of this Imagination process.

 

1 hour ago, Ishanga said:

Anyone that buys into Solipsism completely, that I am the only one in existence, everything else is a figment of my imagination is completely Narcissistic..This is Anti Spirituality, anti Life... 

@Ishanga infact, not only object/other is afigment of imagiantion, but even the center/self that think it is real and the center of attention.
Everything is part of this imagination process.

 

[Ishanga]

2 minutes ago, _Archangel_ said:

@strangelooper They can exist as imagination endlessly uraveling through an ever-singular POV. That's what reality tells us.
There is no way of proving Other poeple and objects have indipendent life outside of this Imagination process.

 

@Ishanga infact, not only object/other is afigment of imagiantion, but even the center/self that think it is real and the center of attention.
Everything is part of this imagination process.

 

As I say to everyone that says what Your saying above, drop a heavy brick on your foot, tell me the result and if the result is imagined or real...

don't respond to this unless You drop the brick on your foot, otherwise ignore...

Edited Monday at 03:59 PM by Ishanga

[Ishanga]

Imaginary means it doesn't exist, its a complete figment of your imagination, now the brain can make you feel pain with no external stimuli, that is possible, but for practical purposes ppl that believe everything is imaginary, that I am only imagining everything else, then again this is crazy, narcissitic for sure.

Things exist outside of you on this plane of existence, the problem is ppl coming from an Absolute perspective, which is purely intellectual, even for those that come from high level grand experiences either from natural ways or psychedelic ways, everything is only happening within Your own boundary (Body/Mind, sensory boundary), there are other bodies and minds with their boundary, other planets, other galaxies, its nuts to think this.. 

Only Experientially is solipsism true, and I wouldn't label it as "Only I exist", I would label it "I am Everything, Everything is I", not on a Body material physical level of course not, but on a Absolute level via our experience of Oneness and Completeness..

[_Archangel_]

35 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

As I say to everyone that says what Your saying above, drop a heavy brick on your foot, tell me the result and if the result is imagined or real...

@Ishanga Let's say You have a dream where someone drop a heavy brick on your foot and You felt pain, then You wake up...
The You, the foot, the brick and the pain are imagined, Yet real. How can someone deny the sensation of pain? What we're pointing to is the nature of that sensation. Now, it's the same with the waking state. Easy.
Imagined doesn't mean not real - this is a great misunderstanding. Imagined means produced, created though the imagination process.
So everything is dependent on nothing and interlinked with everything else. objects don't have indipendent existence, as mush as characters in a movie or in a dream don't. You can imagine that they do, but see, that's the imagination process at work!

 

Edited Monday at 04:35 PM by _Archangel_

[The Crocodile]

Errr no, this just means people are brainwashed by Leo.

[Ishanga]

8 minutes ago, _Archangel_ said:

@Ishanga Let's say You have a dream where someone drop a heavy brick on your foot and You felt pain, then You wake up...
The You, the foot, the brick and the pain are imagined, Yet real. How can someone deny the sensation of pain? What we're pointing to is the nature of that sensation. Now, it's the same with the waking state. Easy.
Imagined doesn't mean not real - this is a great misunderstanding. Imagined means produced, created though the imagination process.
So everything is dependent on nothing and interlinked with everything else. objects don't have indipendent existence, as mush as characters in a movie or in a dream don't. You can imagine that they do, but see, that's the imagination process at work!

 

Then wrong word being used, use another word that does mean in general terms un real, like using dream, its unreal, not objective... I agree that most of what is going on in ppls heads and how they understand life is made up things, the content of our minds is not under our control, its just there, like a garbage in a garbage bin, how You use it or not use, how it affects Your current state of Being and Perception is under our control.

The ideas that of imagination and reality, like I said one can imagine a brick falling on their foot and feel real pain, the experience of this sort of pain, if You feel it, no matter if its in dream state or really happening, if the experience feels real then it is real for You, me looking at You, sleeping or sitting there imagining it then reacting to this real pain maybe a different reaction from vs, seeing you drop a real brick on your foot and seeing you feel the pain of it, for sure a different reaction will happen, but that means nothing to you the experiencer of it...

Its all about the Experience, which is individual in essence, i don't know what You are experiencing now or throughout Your Life, and visa versa so on that level we are different and unique and "Other" to one another, so hence solipsism in this context is not true...

Edited Monday at 04:43 PM by Ishanga

[Ishanga]

And in Essence, Experience is the whole purpose of this life as a Human, if You deny Experience and the diversity of Experience that is happening throughout Human Existence then You deny all creation and everything in it...

Edited Monday at 04:47 PM by Ishanga

[_Archangel_]

@Ishanga Unfortunately i see misunderstandings of terms are a constant when discussing these topics, i'm glad you got my point.

[Inliytened1]

@strangelooper you have to understand that self and other is a duality and also an illusion that must collapse.  Your true nature isnt the ego self - it's just Pure Being itself or Awareness - or Existence- or Consciousness- or God.  The mistake being made is to assume there is a self.   Everything is held in One Mind.  

Also if you look at what is Absolutely True right NOW - what is directly True - the only thing that is true is this Consciousness right now.  Don't bring self into it or words like yours and mine.  That will help to bring about the awakening.

[tuku747]

Anti-self narratives are self-harm.

[strangelooper]

1 hour ago, tuku747 said:

Anti-self narratives are self-harm.

indeed. and there's an easy way for god to prove the existence of others. not only can he create life with his omnipotence he can also have that life confirm its independent existence and there is a state of consciousness that is the feeling of absolute truth and god can confirm any fact by saying and Im using this just as an example "with all my omnipotence if this separatw life is indeed another separate being in every sense of the word I will feel the state of consciousness of absolute truth " and so it is that god confirms the existence of others. The power of god is truth itself and truth doesn't lie!

Non duality is an evil lie, it doesn't make any sense and it imposes so many restrictions on omnipotence that suchs an omnipotence would be a joke and an insult to infinite intelligence. there are things beyond duality, let me give you an example of  TRIALITY, good, neutral and evil. let me give you a Ninelity (lawful eviil, neutral evil, etc). Nondualists are not very intelligent because there are categories of things that can't be dualized, they require a higher order of division. There way more gradients or categories that are pluralities and not dualities.

Infinite intelligence does not want a bad experience for itself so it won't collapse fuck all and there are things that don't make any sense to collapse and all is not one. There is god and all other things that god created to be separate from him at least in identity. 

There will be a plurality of beings and most people who believe in non duality are basically bots.

Edited Monday at 08:08 PM by strangelooper

[tuku747]

It isn't nonduality itself that is toxic tbh. Grasping the interconnectedness of all things is an important facet of awakening.

However, nonduality is sometimes used as a dogma to claim that the self does not exist. It is used to deny the self, and is therefore self-destructive.

To truly grasp the interconnectedness of all things, you must realize that it is only through YOU which all things are connected. And YOU are the only master of your own destiny.

If your approach is to constantly deny the YOU, then your approach is too passive. If your approach is to deny the YOU in others, then your approach is too aggressive.

A balanced approach would be acknowledging both the interconnectedness of the whole and the individual. You would recognize YOU as a vital aspect of the whole, capable of both receiving from and contributing to it. This avoids both the extremes of self-negation and disregard for other-selves, fostering both a sense of agency and responsibility within the individual.

Edited Monday at 08:25 PM by tuku747