Tripping on dimenhydrinate

[Paradoxed]

I was curious if anyone has ever tripped on dimenydrinate (Dramamine). I did this as a teenager many times and had some of the most horrifying psychedelic experiences of my life. I watched bugs crawl under my skin, watched people fighting, murdering each other, animals getting skinned alive, etc.... truly the stuff of nightmares.

Please never mess around with this stuff. If you need more convincing, go listen to other peoples experiences. You will black out, wander around, break into other people's houses, injure yourself or others, etc. I was a very self destructive teenager.

Most people here do psychedelics for mystical experiences, insights, to achieve a non-dual state, etc. This is the opposite of that. Only do this if you intend on going to hell and ruining your life.

Basically, you would get a small tube of Dramamine (motion sickness medication available at the gas station), and instead of taking one or two, you just take the entire tube. The scariest part about these experiences are that the hallucinations are like no other- you will have full blown conversations with people that are not there.

I was tripping at a friends house, and went outside to smoke a cigarette in the middle of the night. While I was outside, I looked over to the house next to us. It looked like they were having a party. You could hear faint music, their deck had some people smoking and drinking on it, the lights were on and you could see many people inside. A friend from school come down from the deck stairs and approached me. He said "Dude I'm so happy to see you! You should come to the party man!" I remember saying "Right now I'm hanging inside with some friends, but it looks like fun... I might come by in a little!". He said "Alright man, just come through the door on the deck whenever you feel like it". He walked back to the party holding his beer. I looked down, then looked back up... when I looked at the house, there was no party. There were no lights on in the house, it was the middle of the night, and it was dead silent outside. I had been talking to myself. I had seriously been considering wandering into a strangers house in the middle of the night. This really freaked me out. I went back inside and laid down. I remember sitting with my friends watching some show on TV and falling asleep. Apparently I wandered around my friends basement for hours speaking nonsense about everyone "seeing what is inside my magic box".

Another time I did Dramamine, I was hanging out with my group of friends. When the night ended, I walked with a friend towards my house. Her house was a couple blocks from mine, and we had to pass her house to get to mine. She asked me "Are you sure you're gunna get home okay?" I said yeah I'm good. From my memory, I simply went home and went to sleep. The next day she told me she had come outside a half an hour later to have a cigarette and saw me in the distance wandering around. She said it really scared her. I was really scared by this because I didn't remember this.

Another time, I was in the passenger seat while my friend was driving. I told him to stop the car and screamed in horror. I saw a woman holding her own head in her hands. I barely remember this, but my friend thought it was hilarious. 

I had another friend who would take it. One time I convinced him I was outside his window as we talked over the phone. At the time I thought it was funny but I would never mess with someone tripping like that now. He said "Is that you running around out there back and forth trying to scare me?"

I don't know what propelled me to keep doing this drug. It was like I loved the experience of being in a horror movie. I was really young, like 15-16 years old. I probably really fucked up my brain.

Anyway I hope this was entertaining.

Edited Monday at 08:29 PM by Paradoxed

[LambdaDelta]

Thanks for sharing. Deliriants fascinate me, they produce a very unique state of consciousness. If approached properly, it's a mode of exploration as valid as any other. Trouble is pretty much all the anticholinergics are awful for your health, which only allows for a very limited scope of experiences. If you've done DPH, how would you say dimenhydrinate compares? I heard it's lower potency, by weight at least. 

One probably doesn't want to be so degenerate as to pop multiple pills of OTC medication (no offense), so the proper way is to extract the substance, or get a prepared powdered form. I haven't seen good techniques around for extraction of DPH/DXM from pills or syrup though. However I've extracted Benzydamine - an obscure deliriant with an unknown mechanism of action, it's speculated it has cholinergic, serotonergic, and even cannabinoidergic properties. A very pure extraction I'm proud of, using IPA and multiple sachets of a vaginal hygiene product, ain't that a laugh, what people wouldn't do for a high. Now got multiple grams sitting in the freezer, contemplating whether to give it a try. I'm confident it can be done responsibly. 
Too bad pure powders don't make it through customs here, otherwise one could get barrels of DXM HBr and such for pennies from India. Still kinda mad they blocked my beautiful scopolamine (main ingredient responsible for the deliriant properties of datura and similar plants, sans the other purely toxic alkaloids that don't provide any effects besides poisoning you). 

[Paradoxed]

3 hours ago, LambdaDelta said:

Thanks for sharing. Deliriants fascinate me, they produce a very unique state of consciousness. If approached properly, it's a mode of exploration as valid as any other. Trouble is pretty much all the anticholinergics are awful for your health, which only allows for a very limited scope of experiences. If you've done DPH, how would you say dimenhydrinate compares? I heard it's lower potency, by weight at least. 

I haven't tripped on DPH (yet).
 

3 hours ago, LambdaDelta said:

One probably doesn't want to be so degenerate as to pop multiple pills of OTC medication (no offense), so the proper way is to extract the substance, or get a prepared powdered form.

Yes it was completely stupid and degenerate, almost rebellious. I had close to suicidal levels of disregard for my well being.

 

3 hours ago, LambdaDelta said:

I haven't seen good techniques around for extraction of DPH/DXM from pills or syrup though.

Drinking cough syrup was another one I was stupid enough to do a bunch of different times. I have seen some extraction methods for DXM somewhere online, but I don't know if they are "good" methods. There was a specific product we would seek out that didn't contain chlorpheniramine, acetaminophen, or any other active ingredients except for DXM. Can't remember what brand. There were a bunch we knew to avoid. It was a risky game, you had to get the right bottle.
 

3 hours ago, LambdaDelta said:

However I've extracted Benzydamine - an obscure deliriant with an unknown mechanism of action, it's speculated it has cholinergic, serotonergic, and even cannabinoidergic properties. A very pure extraction I'm proud of, using IPA and multiple sachets of a vaginal hygiene product, ain't that a laugh, what people wouldn't do for a high. Now got multiple grams sitting in the freezer, contemplating whether to give it a try. I'm confident it can be done responsibly. 

That sounds interesting. You are a mad scientist.
 

3 hours ago, LambdaDelta said:

Too bad pure powders don't make it through customs here, otherwise one could get barrels of DXM HBr and such for pennies from India. Still kinda mad they blocked my beautiful scopolamine (main ingredient responsible for the deliriant properties of datura and similar plants, sans the other purely toxic alkaloids that don't provide any effects besides poisoning you). 

Where are you? Did you like the scopolamine? Datura is described as nightmare fuel, did you ever try it? Sounds a bit much for me these days. I would've probably tried it back then.

I applaud your expertise. Thanks for providing some insight to accompany my surface level trip reports.

Edited yesterday at 01:54 AM by Paradoxed

[LambdaDelta]

12 hours ago, Paradoxed said:

Where are you? Did you like the scopolamine? Datura is described as nightmare fuel, did you ever try it? Sounds a bit much for me these days. I would've probably tried it back then.

In Spain. Getting anything through customs that doesn't originate in the EU is nearly impossible, only small untracked lettermail arrives, strangely they just slap the minimal tax on it and let it though, everything tracked gets stopped for inspection, and that's when you should just write off the goods as lost. I've had to forfeit a bunch of Soma from India and Propofol + Sodium thiopental from Ukraine. Not worth the risk of lying to them about the package contents, at best it's destroyed, at worst they press charges for falsified import declaration. I did manage to get MK-801 from Israel and Salvinorin B ethoxymethyl ether from US though, by using my university credentials and a lot of super vague language when dealing with the lab and customs, basically pretending to be a professional chemist without explicitly lying, just giving a solid impression. Fun times. Now that part of the research phase is over and I've moved on to more advanced and exciting stuff, which I hope to share here soon, if it doesn't kill me, which is a possibility.
I wouldn't take Datura seeds, as I said they contain a lot of useless poison. Would be down for the scopolamine in a well-prepared setting though, lab grade HBr that I was supposed to get, but never did, it got returned to sender. Who knows, maybe in the future another opportunity arises, but I won't actively pursue it. There's a version that's available OTC here, but that's butylbromide, which is used for stomach aches and spasms, it cannot cross the blood-brain barrier as hydrobromide would, so no deliriant effects. There's HBr motion sickness medicine that some of our 3rd world friends, i.e. Mexico have, same as selling Ketamine in veterinary shops. Perhaps one day.  
For now Benzydamine should be enough to get a feel for that class, I also have some DPH in 50mg tablets, but swallowing 10+ of them is poor style, unless I come up with an extraction it'll remain collecting dust. Memantine is also worth mentioning, used for Alzheimer's treatment, but 100mg+ will produce a dissociative trip lasting between 24 and 72 hours. 

Here's trip reports for benzydamine and scopolamine that I like if you're interested

https://erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=113796
https://erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=54912 

[Schizophonia]

17 hours ago, LambdaDelta said:

Thanks for sharing. Deliriants fascinate me, they produce a very unique state of consciousness. If approached properly, it's a mode of exploration as valid as any other. Trouble is pretty much all the anticholinergics are awful for your health, which only allows for a very limited scope of experiences. If you've done DPH, how would you say dimenhydrinate compares? I heard it's lower potency, by weight at least. 

One probably doesn't want to be so degenerate as to pop multiple pills of OTC medication (no offense), so the proper way is to extract the substance, or get a prepared powdered form. I haven't seen good techniques around for extraction of DPH/DXM from pills or syrup though. However I've extracted Benzydamine - an obscure deliriant with an unknown mechanism of action, it's speculated it has cholinergic, serotonergic, and even cannabinoidergic properties. A very pure extraction I'm proud of, using IPA and multiple sachets of a vaginal hygiene product, ain't that a laugh, what people wouldn't do for a high. Now got multiple grams sitting in the freezer, contemplating whether to give it a try. I'm confident it can be done responsibly. 
Too bad pure powders don't make it through customs here, otherwise one could get barrels of DXM HBr and such for pennies from India. Still kinda mad they blocked my beautiful scopolamine (main ingredient responsible for the deliriant properties of datura and similar plants, sans the other purely toxic alkaloids that don't provide any effects besides poisoning you). 

From what I have seen, Deliriants seem to induce a state close to lucid dreams. 

[LambdaDelta]

4 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

From what I have seen, Deliriants seem to induce a state close to lucid dreams. 

Content-wise, yes, but with the core distinction that a lucid dream is characterized by knowing you're in a dream, while deliriants will make you forget you took anything at all, maybe even your own name and address, the hallucinations are so indistinguishable from reality they supplant it. The cholinergic system is pretty much the kernel of the body, far more fundamental than the serotonergic and such.

[Schizophonia]

1 minute ago, LambdaDelta said:

Content-wise, yes, but with the core distinction that a lucid dream is characterized by knowing you're in a dream,

Exactly, in a lucid dream you are aware of being in a dream, but it is still a state of consciousness different than normal, which makes it all quite twisted and strange.

When I read Datura's TRs, people still have an active brain and can understand that they have taken a drug, but they are still "elsewhere" and end up doing strange things like talking to people that don't exists ; Which makes me think of a lucid dream.

If you see what I mean.

 

1 minute ago, LambdaDelta said:

The cholinergic system is pretty much the kernel of the body, far more fundamental than the serotonergic and such.

Ahh I don't really agree, I would still put serotonin in first position.

To take up the 4 causes of Aristotle:

1)Material cause : Substance of reality (raw material) -> Serotoninergic axis.

2)Formal cause : Structure of reality (how it is organized, in different holons) -> Cholinergix axis.

3)Efficient cause : Interpretation of reality (which gives it meaning, generate a sense of self, an ego) -> Cetecholaminergics axis. 

4)Final cause : Goal of reality (that is to say the experience) -> GABA/Glutamate axis.

Obviously I omitted the more secondary neurotransmitters.

[LambdaDelta]

12 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

and end up doing strange things like talking to people that don't exists ; Which makes me think of a lucid dream.

If you see what I mean.

I see, but then why would you spend an hour talking to your mom or smoking a cigarette if you weren't completely convinced they're right there in front of you.

13 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

Ahh I don't really agree, I would still put serotonin in first position

Seems we'll have to agree to disagree on this one, I was speaking from a purely physiological survival perspective. ACh controls movement, breathing, and organ function. It's responsible for muscle contraction, doesn't get much more basic than that. It's how most chemical weapons work, i.e. Sarin, targeting the cholinergic system -> one quickly suffocates. 5-HT sure is crucial, and you can kick the bucket from serotonin syndrome in extreme cases, but typically you will at least survive, albeit irreversibly damaged. You can spin it another way in a philosophical/symbolic fashion, and it's also a truth of sorts, but not what I meant. I'd probably swap 1 and 4 in your scheme for it to make more sense, GABA/Glutamate is more fitting for substance, they're at the base of neural signaling balance, while experience/purpose is more about serotonin, given how psychs acting on 5-HT2A change how we experience reality.