i'm going to jail

[NewKidOnTheBlock]

Golden retriever must be the frendliest dog there is, can't imagine I'd ever confuse it with pitbull. Not that it matters anyway, cause why you'd ever do something like that to a dog unless you're in a life threatening situation yourself. Not gonna lie to you man, you're some dangerous weirdo for sure

Edited Saturday at 06:00 PM by NewKidOnTheBlock

[Raze]

Are you sure the dog actually bit you? Did your clothes rip at all or did you get bite marks? Get evidence, that can help 

[The Crocodile]

Just now, Raze said:

Are you sure the dog actually bit you? Did your clothes rip at all or did you get bite marks? Get evidence, that can help 

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say the dog biting him is just a lie.

And if it was the dog was defending itself.

[Aaron p]

Dumb situation. 

Although I won't lie and say that I haven't found myself in dumber lol

[Salvijus]

1 hour ago, NewKidOnTheBlock said:

Golden retriever must be the frendliest dog there is

And it was a new one. I assume that means very young. It probably just wanted to play and say hi. 

This is just heartbraking 😔 

Edited Saturday at 06:19 PM by Salvijus

[Davino]

3 minutes ago, Salvijus said:

This is just heartbraking 😔 

It really is.

It's a strange event overall.

[Sugarcoat]

You were already from the get go in a stressed ungrounded state which led up to the situation. You need to deal with your problems to prevent these kind of things from happening again. Key is to be grounded in yourself and calm as a baseline state allowing you to think clearly. Be like that dealing with this from now on, in court etc, walk in it from a calm and collected state as much as you can, from that stems better decision making and talking.

[integration journey]

Update us  @Shodburrito

[Paradoxed]

You shouldn't have approached in the first place- you initiated this interaction. You should have picked up your small dog and walked away when you sensed something was off. You should feel horrible about yourself. If it legitimately was attacking you (after you approached it on its property), a couple good kicks and a dog will probably stop (I doubt this dog was willing to fight to the death), but its sounds like you just entered some fugue state and kept kicking the dog until it was dead? I hope you go to jail.. after a few good kicks to defend yourself and separate the dogs, it probably would've got the idea. I don't buy your story. You seem afraid of reality.

You clearly know nothing about dogs if you thought a golden retriever was a pitbull. Maybe this dog sensed your nervous energy. if you are so afraid of dogs, why are you approaching them?

Edited Saturday at 07:03 PM by Paradoxed

[Shodburrito]

@integration journey I will later tonight I’m at work rn

[Ulax]

2 hours ago, The Crocodile said:

So you just murdered a golden retriever because you're retarded?

And you want . . . advice?

I swear this thread is just like this breaking bad scene 

@Shodburrito

On a sincere note, it sounds to me like those charges are justified.

I can have compassion for your anxiety and fight or flight but the way you acted was wrong imo. It’s up to you to control how you act despite your emotional responses. Id recommend taking accountability and seeing what you can do to make amends.

You have to got learn how to control your use of violence and fight response.

Id recommend doing some extended psychotherapy and also getting a lawyer.

Edited Saturday at 07:24 PM by Ulax

[Paradoxed]

This is probably fake anyway. Dude showed zero remorse. Feels like bait

[Aaron p]

19 minutes ago, Ulax said:

I swear this thread is just like this breaking bad scene 

@Shodburrito

On a sincere note, it sounds to me like those charges are justified.

I can have compassion for your anxiety and fight or flight but the way you acted was wrong imo. It’s up to you to control how you act despite your emotional responses. Id recommend taking accountability and seeing what you can do to make amends.

You have to got learn how to control your use of violence and fight response.

Id recommend doing some extended psychotherapy and also getting a lawyer.

"Why I'm here in the first place ..is to sell ya 5meo.."

[Schizophonia]

In the worst case, you will have to compensate your neighbor.

[Ulax]

2 minutes ago, Aaron p said:

"Why I'm here in the first place ..is to sell ya 5meo.."

Lmao

[puporing]

If the dog is treated essentially like a human (which I am not sure if it is) in your region's criminal code, then those potential charges make sense. Generally speaking, you are only allowed to counter an assault/attack with up to a proportional force, eg, just enough force to stop it/get away.., anything beyond that may be deemed that you have used excessive force that you are not authorized to use. In addition, whether you had an option for escape and why you didn't use that option. 

It boils down to what your intent was at the time, if it was self-defense then excessive force was not necessary. The charges against you means they feel that it was not just self-defense but to cause retaliatory harm on the animal. Retaliation is not generally considered self-defense.

It's hard to say how severe your mental condition that you've mentioned regarding anxiety and your overall mental state at the time, that may play some redeemable factors. 

Anyways seems like you're taking the right steps to consult with a lawyer.

Edited Saturday at 07:47 PM by puporing

[Husseinisdoingfine]

Good lord.

I have nothing to tell you except hire a lawyer and start drafting your best court arguments. 

You don't want a criminal record, as its permanent and for the rest of your life it will show up on job applications. This can get so severe that you might have to live in another country. 

There's also the possibility that you might go to prison, if found guilty.  

If you do have to go to to prison or jail, stock up on whatever you need to survive. 

https://www.wikihow.com/Prepare-for-Jail

https://www.wikihow.com/Deal-with-Being-in-Prison

[Davino]

Leo should make an episode on how to get out of jail

Edited Sunday at 12:12 AM by Davino

[Basman]

Perhaps the neighbors are scared that they might be forced to put their dog down depending on the law which could be why they are pressing so many charges. I have no legal expertise.

[Letho]

A Reality Check for OP & the Forum... as usual this thread is a mess of knee-jerk reactions, legal speculation, and moral grandstanding. But the truth is somewhere in the middle, so for everyone, contemplate before responding use it as an opportunity for your own personal growth and an understanding on the intersection between self, universe, society and the people among us that create it.

@Shodburrito, let’s strip everything down to what actually matters mate:

1. The law doesn’t care about your emotions it cares about actions and proportionality.
2. Your story has inconsistencies that make people doubt your version of events.
3. Even if you beat the case, your reputation and relationships will take a hit unless you show responsibility.

So let’s be brutally honest, you may not be guilty of a crime but you are responsible for what happened.

1. The Legal Reality You Need to Stop Focusing on is Whether This is "Fair"!

The charges against you exist for a reason. Whether you believe they are justified or not, the key issue is, did your actions go beyond reasonable self-defense?

• If the dog bit you, where is the proof? (Bite marks, medical reports, torn clothing?)
• If it didn’t bite you, then why did you keep attacking it?
• Did the dog lunge aggressively, or did you misread its body language?

This is what the court will focus on. And right now, the charges suggest law enforcement thinks you went too far.

2. Why People Don’t Believe You And Why That Matters

Let’s call it like it is. Your story doesn’t fully add up, and the forum reaction proves it. People are skeptical because:

• You claim to fear big dogs but chose to approach one.
• You mistook a Golden Retriever for a Pitbull, which is hard to believe unless fear distorted your perception.
• Your first post made it sound like the dog died, then hours later, you said it didn’t. That looks like backtracking.
• You didn’t retreat; you kept fighting until the dog “stopped moving.” That’s what’s getting you in trouble.

Even if your fear was real bud, your reaction was extreme. That’s why the legal system, regardless as to its flaws, and the people now experienced by it, despite our potential for mismeasurements, are pushing back. 

3. Accountability – What You Need to Accept

Let’s cut the excuses. This happened because of your choices.

1. You made the choice to approach the dog despite your fear.
2. You overreacted in a way that escalated the situation.
3. You are now responsible for the consequences that are legal, social, and personal.

This isn’t just about whether you broke the law. It’s about whether you can own your actions and learn from them.

4. What You Need to Do Next – The Only Way Forward

Legal Steps:

• Follow your lawyer’s advice. Reflect deeply before sharing follow-ups on the court case here if you do.
• Gather all possible evidence. If you have injuries, document them. If you don’t, be prepared for the argument that you overreacted.
• Consider mediation with your neighbors. A sincere attempt to make amends might reduce the charges.

Personal Growth: Set a good example for everyone here, its a very controversial situation so the better you handle this the more that you taking up our time to respond to you will actually be a benefit for the forum in the right direction.

• Own your mistake, stop making excuses. Whether legally guilty or not, you misjudged the situation. That’s on you. 
• Get professional help for your fight-or-flight response. If fear can push you into a violent overreaction, that’s a problem that needs solving.
• Reflect on how you want to handle fear and conflict moving forward. Because this won’t be the last time you feel threatened in life.

5. Final Thought.  Who Do You Want to Be?

This moment will define you, not just in court, but in who you become from it.

You can:

• Keep making excuses and let this incident define you as reckless and impulsive.
• Take responsibility, learn from it, and show that you can grow from a mistake.
• That choice is yours. But make no mistake, this is a turning point.
• How you respond to this will determine whether this is just an unfortunate incident… or a warning sign for a deeper problem.

What are you going to do. right now that is.... to ensure this never happens again? Across all areas here.

 

Edited Sunday at 02:53 AM by Letho