I decided to stop questioning whether free will exists.

[TruthFreedom]

Or did I? 🤔

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I literally made myself lol with that.

[Aaron p]

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Lol last one

[TruthFreedom]

Thanks Aaron

Good humour. 🙂

[Breakingthewall]

The point is realizing that that question is irrelevant because the person asking that question is a conceptual structure that occurs in reality. that question crumbles and disintegrates, and reality remains. Reality cannot "know" why it is like this or what will happen next, free will is the same as not free will, reality flows, and no one has free will or not, reality is not "someone", it is what is, the depth that flows. It is impossible to understand it because understanding is a toy that appears in the flow and means absolutely nothing. Reality is unfathomable, and therefore cannot be encompassed. The only way to open yourself to reality is to adopt a mental attitude in which for you having free will means exactly the same as not having free will. Then any distinction dissapear and you can open yourself. You have to be absolutely empty of structure to be able to perceive yourself. Any structure closes, the mind has to be open, without limits. 

[PurpleTree]

You didn’t.

 

There‘s no free will already.

There is a free Willy though.

 

[Letho]

@TruthFreedom there is no free will because its an emergent phenomenon, which means no two people, species or beings are created equal here in stasis, status, position, flow or development by age or further progression.

For the record: It's proportional to awareness of its dimensions and the power of those dimensions in singledom and their interaction.

So be grateful for the freedom you have, and when its all too much, don't be too hard on yourself but, be too hard on yourself to train only what needs to be trained as a methodology to your life mastery.

People that require simple solutions for complex subjects probably fall more simply on the spectrum in such domains.

No debates needed.

 

Edited Sunday at 04:58 AM by Letho

[Breakingthewall]

7 hours ago, Letho said:

@TruthFreedom there is no free will because its an emergent phenomenon, which means no two people, species or beings are created equal here in stasis, status, position, flow or development by age or further progression.

For the record: It's proportional to awareness of its dimensions and the power of those dimensions in singledom and their interaction.

So be grateful for the freedom you have, and when its all too much, don't be too hard on yourself but, be too hard on yourself to train only what needs to be trained as a methodology to your life mastery.

People that require simple solutions for complex subjects probably fall more simply on the spectrum in such domains.

No debates needed.

 

The issue is not whether there is free will or not, it is that this question places you on a relative level. relatively there may or may not be free will, or there may be to some extent, but this is like knowing if dark matter exists or if multiverses are created from black holes that on the other side are white holes: however cosmic and grandiose it may be, it is within the relative, and furthermore we do not have the means to know, only make conjectures.

The absolute is on another plane, and on that plane the question of free will does not exist. Understanding this is the key to accessing the absolute, without this understanding we are tied in the relative. There are no distinctions at all, there is only one thing: the absolute. distinctions, such as the possibility of free will, arise in the absolute. The moment you place yourself in the relative, even minimally, the absolute closes for you absolutely.

Edited Sunday at 12:01 PM by Breakingthewall

[gettoefl]

God's will is to create reality ever deeper and ever lovelier. God can't do anything but this. God hasn't free will in this. What God can do though is create seeming reality. This isn't reality but a dual mad scientist version of it just for kicks and giggles. We can term this a divine sleep break: another mode of creating reality and another string to God's orchestral repertoire. In seeming reality, rules are tweaked. In particular, there is free will. You can choose heaven or hell. Heaven ends the sleep break. Hell keeps it going. Choose whichever suits you better. Don't worry, eventually you will choose heaven since this is just a break and breaks HAVE to be finite since if they weren't finite they would be the actual reality. Have fun here my lovelies.

Edited Sunday at 04:20 PM by gettoefl

[Aaron p]

I have a feeling these questions can only be answered by becoming immortal

[zurew]

If the meaning of free will isn't cashed out as - random choice, then I don't know what is meant by it.

If you are presented with 2 options (A and B) and you choose A over B and there is no explanation in principle why you chose A over B, then thats gonna be free will, but I take that to be a random choice.

If it can be explained by something, then thats gonna be determinism or in some cases compatibilism.

Edited Sunday at 05:04 PM by zurew

[Someone here]

Free will is baloney. End of story . Do you control your farts or when you have to go to the toilet? 

Watch Leo's first video on free will ...he disproved it in an extremely convincing way . But don't Watch the second one because he lost it there. 

[Ishanga]

4 hours ago, Someone here said:

Free will is baloney. End of story . Do you control your farts or when you have to go to the toilet? 

Watch Leo's first video on free will ...he disproved it in an extremely convincing way . But don't Watch the second one because he lost it there. 

Free will has nothing to do with this for the most part, the body has no free will in normal conditions, its ruled by karma and conditioning to keep the survival of itself possible. But at extreme levels of Awareness You can control farts, and most all bodily functions, if that is Your Goal, so Free Will in this aspect is possible. If its not Your goal, then farts will come and go via the will of the Body..

No matter what one thinks about Free Will, yay or nay, whatever you think is Your Will, Your Understanding, Your Experience, so that is Free Will in its essence, the very fact some here say Yes there is Free will, and others say No there is not is proof.

But every Argument can be backed up via individual logic, which is free will but done unconsciously, if You do it consciously, then it become more available to One, if its unconscious its random...

[gettoefl]

Free will is the same as God. If you live like there is no God, you will live duality to the max- good bad good bad life after life. One day the murdered, next day the murderer. There is no free will in this, you can't alter it, it happens just like night and day. If you live like there is God, you will transcend and leave for good. You have free will to choose either path. Many will say but I tried God and it never works. No that was your ego trying on your behalf. You need to get on your knees and get serious with this religion thing.

Edited Monday at 09:00 AM by gettoefl

[_Archangel_]

@TruthFreedom Free will exist and doesn't exist doepending on the POV.
It exist in day-to-day life as an attribute of poeple, as a concept.
On a further investigation though, it is simple to realize that the Ego is not free in any of its "choises" because there is just too much unconscious content possibly dictating them. So the "choosing" does happen but is not truly free.
In other words, rather that onto individuals i would say that Free-will can get attributed to a sort of law of Coherence, or Logos that coordinate every aspect of the reality process in a seemingly logical way. 

[Carl-Richard]

On 15.2.2025 at 5:35 PM, Aaron p said:

Ironically, the conundrum of "does free will exist?" falls into the same trap of forcing an either/or answer.

You experience yourself analyzing, judging, weighing and making choices based on what you want, thus in this sense, you have free will, but you can't will what you want, thus in this other sense, you don't have free will.

Likewise, you tried to fail but you succeeded, so in one sense, you succeeded, but in another sense, you failed.

Edited Monday at 10:38 PM by Carl-Richard

[Eskilon]

On 16/02/2025 at 2:03 PM, zurew said:

If it can be explained by something, then thats gonna be determinism or in some cases compatibilism.

But let's say it can be explained by something, in that case you would also need to provide explanation to that something and so on ad infinitum, otherwise you are just making stuff up(and you always are lol). So the answer here is yes and no. Its a strange-loop.

[Aaron p]

17 hours ago, Carl-Richard said:

Ironically, the conundrum of "does free will exist?" falls into the same trap of forcing an either/or answer.

You experience yourself analyzing, judging, weighing and making choices based on what you want, thus in this sense, you have free will, but you can't will what you want, thus in this other sense, you don't have free will.

Likewise, you tried to fail but you succeeded, so in one sense, you succeeded, but in another sense, you failed.

It's interesting because it sure feels like I'm making a free will decision when I'm deciding what to do with my day for example. Like today I could have chosen to go to multiple different locations for a drive but I chose to go to this location. It could be argued that this was the best location to come to and that my preexisting capacity for logic predetermined my decision. However it could be further argued that if I really wanted to (having been exposed to the idea that my logical processes predetermined me to come to the best location) I could choose another location just because I wanted to prove that the decision is free. However it could be further argued that this response would be equally predetermined as a meer behavioural reaction l to the idea that I have selected the best location automatically and that this reaction is similarly predetermined by mental processes depending on the preexisting characteristics of my mental faculties (just at one level higher). However it could be further argued that having seen all of these positions I decide randomly to do something completely unpredicted, maybe I go to jump in the ocean naked today completely randomly to prove that the decision is mine and mine alone. However it could be further argued that even this is only a reaction to all the previous presentations of logic and decision-making capacities and that no matter how unpredictable I try to be, the only reason I'm trying to be unpredictable at all is because it is a response to having been called predictable initially, which is of course itself predictable.

Edited yesterday at 03:49 PM by Aaron p