extreme fear of going insane on pscyhedelics

[emil1234]

i've probably had overall around 20 trips by now, 1 of which was a bad trip.

I am about to try a small dose of 5meo dmt (5mg), and ive been pushing myself to do this for a long time now. but everytime im about to do it, i get this insanely intense fear of "what if i go insane", and i end up postponing it.

could use some calming words lol, or advice as to how to deal with the fear of insanity

[Paradoxed]

The fear is your ego protecting and defending itself. You gotta jump off the cliff my friend!

[emil1234]

3 minutes ago, Paradoxed said:

The fear is your ego protecting and defending itself. You gotta jump off the cliff my friend!

@Paradoxed very true. this was revealed during my first 5meo trip. but damn, its so scary man haha

[Paradoxed]

18 minutes ago, emil1234 said:

@Paradoxed very true. this was revealed during my first 5meo trip. but damn, its so scary man haha

I am horrified of 5meo.. It can be difficult, but with practice becomes easier- once you see the glory beyond fear. I actually feel silly for how I used to fear this compound. There were many times I told myself I wouldn't do it again! Working with this compound is quite serious and you must accept death. Tell yourself "If I die, so be it."

I was always more afraid of death than losing my sanity. When I die, I don't want to cling or struggle! I've tripped so much, I don't fear losing my mind anymore. A bit of fear is probably healthy, but you must work through it.

Edited Friday at 02:59 PM by Paradoxed

[Grateful Dead]

You are already insane brother, psychedelics just might make you go sane

[Hojo]

I like to have a couple beers before going in. Liquid courage keeps working while the psychedelics do their thing.

[LifeEnjoyer]

I was scared too my first few times doing DMT (I assume it was 5meo because it was very low visual)

As soon as I smoked it I was instantly taken by the hand and thrusted into a direct channel of infinite love.

Needless to say the fears around the drug absolved mid trip but they still come back every time I go in for more, so just acknowledge it and send it

[Clarence]

Why are you afraid of going insane? Why is that thought scary to you?

[Paradoxed]

1 hour ago, Hojo said:

I like to have a couple beers before going in. Liquid courage keeps working while the psychedelics do their thing.

This is probably bad advice. I have read some scary experience of people mixing alcohol with 5meo. I wouldn't combine it with anything

[emil1234]

update; took a small dose, roughly  2-4 mg. went pretty decent, didnt get a whole lot of effects. i did however have a lot of emotions surface, so i'm sitting with that right now, about to integrate it with some ceremonial cacao. ty for all ur replies

1 hour ago, Hojo said:

I like to have a couple beers before going in. Liquid courage keeps working while the psychedelics do their thing.

wut. never heard of that before. ill stay off the alcohol when tripping i think haha

 

52 minutes ago, Clarence said:

Why are you afraid of going insane? Why is that thought scary to you?

i guess its trauma from a past lsd trip where i experienced insanity. it was the most frigthening experience of my life, and since then, i've feared insanity way more than death

Edited Friday at 05:40 PM by emil1234

[emil1234]

2 hours ago, Paradoxed said:

 Working with this compound is quite serious and you must accept death. Tell yourself "If I die, so be it."

 

I think this is part of the reason i fear it so much. because everytime I trip, i have the mentality that i must accept death if it comes. so it very much feels like im running into death face on every time i trip.

I however also think i might have TOO much respect for the substance, that its adding unnecessary anxiety pre trip.

Edited Friday at 05:39 PM by emil1234

[Paradoxed]

1 minute ago, emil1234 said:

i guess its trauma from a past lsd trip where i experienced insanity. it was the most frigthening experience of my life, and since then, i've feared insanity way more than death

Yeah, a really bad trip will do that. I have similar trauma from psychedelics. It can happen with 5meo too for sure. LSD is scary because of the duration of the experience. But overall 5meo DMT can be much scarier IMO. Always make sure you are in a good headspace and meditate for a while before jumping in. Make sure you are in a safe environment and make sure you are "feel the call" so to speak. Make sure you are well rested too. With that said, the more you resist, cling, and fight the more difficult it gets in my experience. It's counterintuitive but you can't control the outcome too much and just gotta accept it.

[emil1234]

14 minutes ago, Paradoxed said:

Yeah, a really bad trip will do that. I have similar trauma from psychedelics. It can happen with 5meo too for sure. LSD is scary because of the duration of the experience. But overall 5meo DMT can be much scarier IMO. Always make sure you are in a good headspace and meditate for a while before jumping in. Make sure you are in a safe environment and make sure you are "feel the call" so to speak. Make sure you are well rested too. With that said, the more you resist, cling, and fight the more difficult it gets in my experience. It's counterintuitive but you can't control the outcome too much and just gotta accept it.

yea, i basically take all possible precautions. the last 7 days have basically been trip preparation, i try to make it as ceremonial as possible.

the thing is, every time you trip, its potentially the most horrifying experience of your entire life lol. literally.

[numbersinarow]

How painful was the bad trip?

[Jodistrict]

 

2 hours ago, Paradoxed said:

This is probably bad advice. I have read some scary experience of people mixing alcohol with 5meo. I wouldn't combine it with anything

I did Bufo Alvarius at the very end of a cannabis trip 6 hours after my last ingested chocolate.  Even though the bufo was only a microdose, it increased my heart rate to dangerous levels.  I could feel my heart pounding.   I cleared my mind and focused on my breath so I wouldn't panic.   When I could finally get up I measured at 120 bps.  And that was when I was feeling back to normal.  I strongly recommend not taking any other drug with 5-meo.  It is just too powerful and the unpredictability of mixing it with another drug could prove fatal.   

[Aaron p]

If your ever scared of going insane just look at this guy.

He's called albino ape DMT entity.

He makes going insane more comfortable 

[emil1234]

2 hours ago, numbersinarow said:

How painful was the bad trip?

i wouldnt say it was painful, and i was completely back to normal the day after. 

it was however the single most terrifying event of my life, because i was 100% that i was stuck in insanity for eternity.

the trip became all i had ever known. my entire life vanished, all that had ever existed was me stuck in an eternal insanity loop

[Davino]

I had the same fear.

What surprised me is that 5meos are quite safe in this regard.

LSD can become much more insane prone for me at high doses and long hours into the trip.

[Clarence]

20 hours ago, emil1234 said:

i guess its trauma from a past lsd trip where i experienced insanity. it was the most frigthening experience of my life, and since then, i've feared insanity way more than death

It's good that you tripped again.

From my experience, fears from difficult trips can be handled by tripping again (lower doses and/or different psychedelics). It helps to go slow and use psychedelics you're familiar with to build confidence again.

You might also be able to reflect on your bad trips and fears while you trip, to understand them better, and hopefully, to overcome them.

I had the fear of having bad experiences repeating again too. To resolve that, I contemplated on my fears, see if I could reduce their intensity (I asked chatGPT for help), and I ended up going with another trip despite a lot of fears still running inside of me. That's the step that healed me the most. I needed to face what I was the most scared of.

You might need to face your fear of tripping, or your fear of insanity, to realize that you don't need to fear it as much anymore. As you've had the experience of insanity once, you're more experienced with it than you were when you first experienced it.

You still want to do your best to get positive experiences, but you can also learn to trust your ability to handle difficult or scary trips. With time and more experiences, your fear will reduce. Experiencing insanity is not a given. The worst thing would be to stay stuck in your fears for too long, as it gives your mind the opportunity to feed into them and make them worse than they originally were.

[integration journey]

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