Why There Is no Evil

[Santiago Ram]

God make of me a Worthwhile Man

Give me the strength to stand for right

When other folks have left the fight.

Give me the courage of the man who knows

That if he will, he can.

Teach me to see, in every face, the good, the kind and not the base.

Make me sincere in word and deed

Blot out from me all shame and greed

Help me to guard my troubled soul

By constant active self control.

Clean up my thoughts, my speech, my play

and keep me pure from day to day.

Oh make of me a worthwhile man.

[Letho]

8 hours ago, VeganAwake said:

Bro seriously, you're making it way too complex..... what's being discussed doesn't take numerous philosophy and or language/writing classes. This is a perfect example of why so-called knowledge can actually hinder discovery! The mind is so full of concepts, it can't even grasp basic understanding anymore!

It's not negating when it's just obvious that there are no universal morals. Those morals and belief systems are created by conditioned and biased scared human beings....nothing more!

One experience can cause one individual pain and suffering while the next person simply chuckles or shrugges it off and drives on with life!

You can call it avoidance or negating all you want, but you don't know what's being experienced here in any way at all...... Your conditioning is basically painting a picture for you of what is happening here....that's all!

Sorry bud!

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@VeganAwake Denial of structure is its own recursion; rejection loops into reaffirmation. Suffering’s subjectivity doesn’t dissolve its systemic imprint. You escape into negation, yet negation architects constraint. Responsibility transcends dismissal, causality binds regardless. You fracture meaning to evade its weight, yet that fracture itself inscribes the very structure you resist.

[Yimpa]

Evil can certainly exist as you imagine it.

[VeganAwake]

5 hours ago, Letho said:

@VeganAwake Denial of structure is its own recursion; rejection loops into reaffirmation. Suffering’s subjectivity doesn’t dissolve its systemic imprint. You escape into negation, yet negation architects constraint. Responsibility transcends dismissal, causality binds regardless. You fracture meaning to evade its weight, yet that fracture itself inscribes the very structure you resist.

Ok, your right, Evil is as real as Santa Claus 🧑‍🎄 🎁 

💝 

[Letho]

3 hours ago, VeganAwake said:

Ok, your right, Evil is as real as Santa Claus 🧑‍🎄 🎁 

💝 

I am not here to convince you. I am here to stand for truth and the iterative process of alignment here. Goodbye and good will. Spare me the childish games, which is of course the irony of your taunt. 

[VeganAwake]

3 hours ago, Letho said:

I am not here to convince you. I am here to stand for truth and the iterative process of alignment here. Goodbye and good will. Spare me the childish games, which is of course the irony of your taunt. 

I just think what's been said here doesn't align with your sneaky underlying agenda/belief system, so you argue endlessly in the face of common sense using polysemous words out of context to sound intelligent and so if someone corners you, you can just say you meant it differently.

Can't fool me!

❤️ 

Edited February 28 by VeganAwake

[Letho]

@VeganAwake So basically what you're saying is that when someone says something that you find difficult to understand, as a way of minimizing the friction between yourself and the misunderstanding you instead reflexively blame the other person as seamlessly as you hit an opposing basketballer in the face and tell the umpire it was their fault as opposed to observing your own intellectual footwork? Gotcha, as I have been presuming this whole time your integrity is sublime obviously, any irony discoverable then in light of this discussions topic is purely coincidental. When you return with self-awareness, that'll alert me into taking you more seriously, until then, continue to retreat into projection. Best regards.

Edited February 28 by Letho

[Breakingthewall]

evil is obviously real. If I have a son and I consciously torture him so that he becomes a tormented person who falls into an abyss of suffering, this is evilness. If I love him and help him to face life in a positive way so that he can give his best, this is goodness. If I pick up a random guy on the street and give him surgery so that he has unbearable chronic pain that makes his life a long hell, this is evilness. If I go to Africa to operate on cataracts for the blind and give them their sight back, this is goodness.

Evilness leads to suffering, that of others and yours, and puts you in hellish cycles that go beyond this life. goodness generates love and happiness and elevates you to cycles of joy and expansion that go beyond this life

Edited February 28 by Breakingthewall

[Breakingthewall]

2 hours ago, Letho said:

@VeganAwake So basically what you're saying is that when someone says something that you find difficult to understand, as a way of minimizing the friction between yourself and the misunderstanding you instead reflexively blame the other person as seamlessly as you hit an opposing basketballer in the face and tell the umpire it was their fault as opposed to observing your own intellectual footwork? Gotcha, as I have been presuming this whole time your integrity is sublime obviously, any irony discoverable then in light of this discussions topic is purely coincidental. When you return with self-awareness, that'll alert me into taking you more seriously, until then, continue to retreat into projection. Best regards.

 It's good to read someone who tries to see deeply and put the truth before that his ego

Edited February 28 by Breakingthewall

[Letho]

@Breakingthewall It's all an act. Scrutinize and critique with flare, I'll notice and throw more money.

[Breakingthewall]

Just now, Letho said:

@Breakingthewall It's all an act. Scrutinize and critique with flare, I'll notice and throw more money.

I don't get you in that message. What I try is seeing deeper just because I like, it's like a compulsion, and to do so the ego has to be left as it is an obstacle. Sometimes its difficult because the ego is stubborn, of course. 

[VeganAwake]

Someone that hurts others has most likely been hurt themselves and is  clearly mentally unstable. Abuse(physical/mental), neglection,  rejection, abandonment, all fall into this unstable person category. 

No need to make up additional stories like evil, which was created by numerous lazy ignorant scared human beings a very long time. They were very impatient and didn't like the idea of simply not knowing or not understanding........so they just made up stories to account for their unanswered questions of WHY?

What's really shocking is the amount of people that still believe these completely irrational and fictional stories birthed from ignorance!

Don't underestimate the need for understanding from humans..... They will completely make up stories when they don't get the answers that suit them! 🤣

❤️ 

[Breakingthewall]

1 minute ago, VeganAwake said:

Someone that hurts others has most likely been hurt themselves and is  clearly mentally unstable. Abuse(physical/mental), neglection,  rejection, abandonment, all fall into this unstable person category. 

No need to make up additional stories like evil, which was created by numerous lazy ignorant scared human beings a very long time. They were very impatient and didn't like the idea of simply not knowing or not understanding........so they just made up stories to account for their unanswered questions of WHY?

What's really shocking is the amount of people that still believe these completely irrational and fictional stories birthed from ignorance!

Don't underestimate the need for understanding from humans..... They will completely make up stories when they don't get the answers that suit them! 🤣

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Don't fool yourself, it is possible to understand reality in a very profound way. Trying to simplify it and assuming that it is incomprehensible is throwing in the towel without having started the combat.  Ultimately, from an absolute point of view, good and evil are one, since compared to infinity they are simply nothing, but from the perspective in which we operate they are everything, and every action has its consequence, very real consequences.

[Letho]

7 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

I don't get you in that message. What I try is seeing deeper just because I like, it's like a compulsion, and to do so the ego has to be left as it is an obstacle. Sometimes its difficult because the ego is stubborn, of course. 

@Breakingthewall I was forged by the the greatest of narcissistic diagnoses, I'm on 50 forums, this is just one of the places in which I get my narcissitic supply; its twisted I know but I'm an addict and I'm banned from all the AA meetings because I use them to for the same purpose, I love hearing my own voice and re-reading my own comments. I'm a wolf in sheeps clothing, adapting for the specific norms of the forum to get my 'fix'. Sincerely though, thank you for feeding my inner monkey but don't give him too many cookies all at once, I'm no better than the brain cells here, just learning to dance them together. 

@VeganAwake You're self-monologue obsessed with proving your own points even in absence of critique, I wonder what your underlying motivations are to continue going to the same intellectual Kookie Mart that's never hosted a five star dinner. 

[VeganAwake]

2 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Don't fool yourself, it is possible to understand reality in a very profound way. Trying to simplify it and assuming that it is incomprehensible is throwing in the towel without having started the combat.  Ultimately, from an absolute point of view, good and evil are one, since compared to infinity they are simply nothing, but from the perspective in which we operate they are everything, and every action has its consequence, very real consequences.

I wasn't assuming that it is incomprehensible...... I gave explanation.

You can't properly start combat when your head is filled with prior conditioned belief systems......

You can't start the journey to discovery with a completely flawed map!

When the cup is already full, there is no room for anything else.

❤️ 

[Breakingthewall]

1 minute ago, Letho said:

was forged by the the greatest of narcissistic diagnoses, I'm on 50 forums, this is just one of the places in which I get my narcissitic supply; its twisted I know but I'm an addict and I'm banned from all the AA meetings because I use them to for the same purpose, I love hearing my own voice and re-reading my own comments. I'm a wolf in sheeps clothing, adapting for the specific norms of the forum to get my 'fix'. Sincerely though, thank you for feeding my inner monkey but don't give him too many cookies all at once, I'm no better than the brain cells here, just learning to dance them together. 

Really? Sounds quite sick 😅. 

 

7 minutes ago, VeganAwake said:

I wasn't assuming that it is incomprehensible...... I gave explanation.

You can't properly start combat when your head is filled with prior conditioned belief systems......

You can't start the journey to discovery with a completely flawed map!

When the cup is already full, there is no room for anything else.

❤️ 

The mind must be empty, then the understanding can happen. It's quite obvious. You can reason from acquired conditioning, which is going around in a circle, or reason from direct vision, which deepens

[VeganAwake]

16 minutes ago, Letho said:

@Breakingthewall I was forged by the the greatest of narcissistic diagnoses, I'm on 50 forums, this is just one of the places in which I get my narcissitic supply; its twisted I know but I'm an addict and I'm banned from all the AA meetings because I use them to for the same purpose, I love hearing my own voice and re-reading my own comments. I'm a wolf in sheeps clothing, adapting for the specific norms of the forum to get my 'fix'. Sincerely though, thank you for feeding my inner monkey but don't give him too many cookies all at once, I'm no better than the brain cells here, just learning to dance them together. 

@VeganAwake You're self-monologue obsessed with proving your own points even in absence of critique, I wonder what your underlying motivations are to continue going to the same intellectual Kookie Mart that's never hosted a five star dinner. 

Dont be too hard on yourself. Debating and such can reveal all kinds of radical discoveries.....we all have different ways of attempting to understand.

Nothing we have been talking about has bothered me at all....

You're a good person with a great sense of humor!

No more cookies for you though 🤪 and I'm on a diet!

❤️ 

[VeganAwake]

18 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

The mind must be empty, then the understanding can happen. It's quite obvious. You can reason from acquired conditioning, which is going around in a circle, or reason from direct vision, which deepens

Yes, and those conditioned concepts can linger in the subconscious and still subtly steer conclusions in certain directions.

Lifelong conditioning cannot be just thrown out.....

It requires Clearly Seeing their invalidity.

The same way when you focus on an issue long enough, the solution seems to reveal itself slowly.

The conditioning itself requires unbiased focus for it to be finally revealed as hocus pocus 😁

❤️ 

[Breakingthewall]

1 minute ago, VeganAwake said:

Yes, and those conditioned concepts can linger in the subconscious and still subtly steer conclusions in certain directions.

Lifelong conditioning cannot be just thrown out.....

It requires Clearly Seeing their invalidity.

The same way when you focus on an issue long enough, the solution seems to reveal itself slowly.

The conditioning itself requires unbiased focus for it to be finally revealed as hocus pocus 😁

❤️ 

Maybe you are too quick to assume that others are deceived and their arguments come from brainwashing, and in this way you close your mind to new possibilities, staying on the comfortable familiar ground.

[VeganAwake]

15 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Maybe you are too quick to assume that others are deceived and their arguments come from brainwashing, and in this way you close your mind to new possibilities, staying on the comfortable familiar ground.

That's actually flattering that you assume I'm staying on comfortable familiar ground hehe. 

I get what you mean though.

I'm just not standing on anything grounded...it's neither familiar nor comfortable.....it's like floating really 😄

I'm not trying swap one belief system out for another for anyone.

I mean, why even have a belief system at all, if it's not able to be proven?

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