Why There Is no Evil

[numbersinarow]

14 hours ago, ExploringReality said:

Someone attacking you is only evil from your perspective as a survival organism that has an ego to defend, has self bias and core metaphysical assumptions of the nature of reality. You can skillfully defend yourself from an attacker without projecting evil onto it. Because from the perpetrators perspective or what you call an evil person, they are acting from good intentions from they're point of view no matter how fucked up and twisted it is. They believe they are doing good even if it's selfish and destructive because it serves the egos survival, identity and agenda . So calling someone or something evil inherently is a construct of the ego minds drive to survive because you can't see the infinite diversity of the relativistic nature of reality, only how it serves or threatens you. What you call evil is what doesn't serve your survival or what you believe is good for another. Contemplate that without getting defensive. Try to open your mind that reality has infinite requisite variety and truth doesn't always serve you, you selfish fuck.

This is the insight in a nutshell that I dreamed last night.

I'm going to be replying to what I highlighted.

1. Your perspective? That assumes the physical external world in order to assume you perceiving things. All you have is the perception itself, and it's no longer perception.

2. Organisms don't exist.

3. Your own projection.

4. Nope, self-defense projects evil unto SOMETHING regardless of what that something is.

5. Calling things selfish is not less of a projection than callings things evil. Nothing is evil, others don't have an ego, they aren't selfish. At least that's what should be the case according to your worldview.

[gettoefl]

Evil is me not knowing the truth yet thinking I do despite my life being hell and thus leading you into the same hell I am in.

The question to ask is, was my reality hell when I got out of bed today?

My obligation in every conversation becomes to state whether today is heaven or hell before my eyes.

To not do so, is to wallow in self delusion lifetime after lifetime and to have oneself be ostracised per this criteria by the serious truth seeker.

In which case the rapists the terrorists and the extortioners are going to bring heaven to earth before you do.

They can accept themselves while you are in hiding.

How's it going folks?

All grand here.

Good simply put is, did I bring heaven with me today.

 

Edited Friday at 01:51 PM by gettoefl

[Davino]

@Breakingthewall Please avoid explicit pedophilia examples even when it is for making a point on evil. There's no need to be so graphic, it can be gross to other users and gives bad public image.

[Aaron p]

Research what lord Krishna advised Arjuna to do in relation to violence in the bagavad Gita

[Breakingthewall]

6 hours ago, Aaron p said:

Research what lord Krishna advised Arjuna to do in relation to violence in the bagavad Gita

On 14/2/2025 at 3:44 PM, Davino said:

@Breakingthewall

Krishna said that violence is allowed if you do selfless, because some wars need to be done, and the body is not important, the body comes and goes, killing is not a big deal. But that's not evilness, evilness is not killing, is raping your son, not in the body, in the mind, to scare him and submit his soul, destroy him and humiliate him to make him small. That's what a lord sith would do. Killing in combat is a favour that the other does to you, because send you directly to the infinity, but evilness is sending you to the hell, and evilness exist. Evilness is very human. On a metaphysical level I would say that it has the objective of crushing humans, twisting their psyche in order to go deeper, to create another dimension. It is also evil when life sends you an illness that crushes you for years. the pain, the agony in absolute loneliness, the horrible desolation of being human.

All other beings are always in connection with the source, even when they die. Not humans, we move away from the source and enter the desert of desolation, of pain, of horror. Seems that It is something that aims to open another dimension in the heart of reality. 

Edited Sunday at 12:09 AM by Breakingthewall

[VeganAwake]

On 2/14/2025 at 0:52 AM, Letho said:

@VeganAwake  But real insight isn’t found in rejecting everything, it’s in knowing what’s worth

This isn't a mental health therapy forum. You should maybe encourage people needing that kind of support, to seek elsewhere if you care that much.

I'm not rejecting anything or trying to push a belief system, but I can understand how it might seem that way. I don't have any answers, my comments are useless for a "me" construct.

Give me an actual example of how that so-called "knowing worth" & "real insight" has made any positive impact in your life or anyone else's.

That so-called knowledge is an illusion of importance. Sorry!

Meaning, value, purpose......all illusions of the matrix of mind 

❤️ 

[Letho]

49 minutes ago, VeganAwake said:

This isn't a mental health therapy forum. You should maybe encourage people needing that kind of support, to seek elsewhere if you care that much.

I'm not rejecting anything or trying to push a belief system, but I can understand how it might seem that way. I don't have any answers, my comments are useless for a "me" construct.

Give me an actual example of how that so-called "knowing worth" & "real insight" has made any positive impact in your life or anyone else's.

That so-called knowledge is an illusion of importance. Sorry!

Meaning, value, purpose......all illusions of the matrix of mind 

❤️ 

 

@VeganAwake If meaning is an illusion, why do firefighters rush into burning buildings, doctors risk their lives in war zones, and parents shield their children at their own expense? Why did Schindler save Jews, Beethoven compose deaf, or Van Gogh paint through despair? If survival is the only motive, why do people sacrifice for something greater?

If insight has no impact, why do addicts recover, ex-criminals transform, and therapy prevent suicide? Why does purpose pull people from depression? If nothing matters, why prefer food over poison, justice over false imprisonment, or a skilled surgeon over a blindfolded one? If direction is fake, should pilots ignore altitude? If morality is a construct, should we comfort abusers instead of victims?

Even animals protect their young, are they hallucinating meaning too? Evolution itself favors meaning-seekers; if value were false, why does it increase survival? If nothing matters, why engage at all? The moment you reply, you validate discussion. The second you reject injustice, you assign meaning.

And if this “isn’t a mental health forum,” why does it bother you if people seek understanding? If nothing matters, why care where they go? Reality won’t let you live your philosophy. The illusion isn’t meaning, it’s pretending you don’t need it.

[VeganAwake]

8 hours ago, Letho said:

 

@VeganAwake If meaning is an illusion, why do firefighters rush into burning buildings, doctors risk their lives in war zones, and parents shield their children at their own expense? Why did Schindler save Jews, Beethoven compose deaf, or Van Gogh paint through despair? If survival is the only motive, why do people sacrifice for something greater?

If insight has no impact, why do addicts recover, ex-criminals transform, and therapy prevent suicide? Why does purpose pull people from depression? If nothing matters, why prefer food over poison, justice over false imprisonment, or a skilled surgeon over a blindfolded one? If direction is fake, should pilots ignore altitude? If morality is a construct, should we comfort abusers instead of victims?

Even animals protect their young, are they hallucinating meaning too? Evolution itself favors meaning-seekers; if value were false, why does it increase survival? If nothing matters, why engage at all? The moment you reply, you validate discussion. The second you reject injustice, you assign meaning.

And if this “isn’t a mental health forum,” why does it bother you if people seek understanding? If nothing matters, why care where they go? Reality won’t let you live your philosophy. The illusion isn’t meaning, it’s pretending you don’t need it.

Yes humans and animals all have that biological survival instinct. But what animals don't do is create an endless conceptual storyline of illusory importance on top of apparent reality, and operate from that assumed perspective. 

Their brains don't create repeated stories of WHY over and over again.

The conditioned self construct lives in a world of meaning and purpose. It can't understand a reality without it.....it feels way to unstable and triggers fear.......same with death. The self construct can't fathom death because death is the end of experience......all it knows is experience, so death is scary for it!

That fear is essentially how all religions were created...... If we create a story of an afterlife,  we all feel better yay! 

There's absolutely nothing right or wrong with creating an illusion of meaning and purpose to reality....it's just what self's do! 

Nothing matters in the sense that when these bodies die, they won't know they ever existed. Every living entity in existence will eventually die......so nothing ultimately matters in that sense!

That doesn't mean there can't be survival or taking care of one's mental health and such!

I would still help someone out of a burning home even though I understand that ultimately nothing matters!

❤️ 

Edited yesterday at 03:09 PM by VeganAwake

[Dazgwny]

@ExploringReality 👏🏻 correct

[Letho]

8 hours ago, VeganAwake said:

Yes humans and animals all have that biological survival instinct. But what animals don't do is create an endless conceptual storyline of illusory importance on top of apparent reality, and operate from that assumed perspective. 

Their brains don't create repeated stories of WHY over and over again.

The conditioned self construct lives in a world of meaning and purpose. It can't understand a reality without it.....it feels way to unstable and triggers fear.......same with death. The self construct can't fathom death because death is the end of experience......all it knows is experience, so death is scary for it!

That fear is essentially how all religions were created...... If we create a story of an afterlife,  we all feel better yay! 

There's absolutely nothing right or wrong with creating an illusion of meaning and purpose to reality....it's just what self's do! 

Nothing matters in the sense that when these bodies die, they won't know they ever existed. Every living entity in existence will eventually die......so nothing ultimately matters in that sense!

That doesn't mean there can't be survival or taking care of one's mental health and such!

I would still help someone out of a burning home even though I understand that ultimately nothing matters!

❤️ 

@VeganAwake If meaning is an illusion, then by that logic, so is meaninglessness, both are conceptual stories. You argue that nothing matters because everything ends, yet you'd still save someone from a burning house. Why? Instinct? Then why do some sacrifice their lives for strangers? If survival alone drives us, why do people defy it for justice, truth, or love?

You say animals don’t create meaning, yet elephants mourn, wolves protect the weak, and primates seek fairness. If they recognize harm, then so must we, because by opposites if good is an illusion, then so is evil, yet we know evil exists. Murder, torture, betrayal, why do these disgust us? Because their opposites being protection, kindness, loyalty, are objectively preferable.

We expect parents to be role models because we instinctively recognize what should be cultivated. If nothing matters, why expect parents to nurture rather than neglect? Why do psychopaths lack disgust for cruelty while normal minds recoil? If meaning were imaginary, why does our biology demand that we distinguish and aim for good?

You haven't disproven meaning, you've just justified ignoring it. But reality won’t let you, because deep down, you still expect good to triumph over evil.

[VeganAwake]

5 hours ago, Letho said:

@VeganAwake 

You haven't disproven meaning, you've just justified ignoring it. But reality won’t let you, because deep down, you still expect good to triumph over evil.

It's obvious that you really want there to be a big important universal meaning/purpose to apparent reality....it's just not the case.

Overall existence could care less about your socially conditioned human beliefs, about things mattering.

Ultimately nothing matters in any way at all!

Sorry, but the biased self constructs opinions do not apply universally or anything like that! There's no higher power or energy dictating these concepts either!

Meaning, purpose and value are all merely conceptual stories stemming from fear & neediness of the self construct.....nothing more!

It's that free!

❤️ 

[Letho]

5 hours ago, VeganAwake said:

It's obvious that you really want there to be a big important universal meaning/purpose to apparent reality....it's just not the case.

Overall existence could care less about your socially conditioned human beliefs, about things mattering.

Ultimately nothing matters in any way at all!

Sorry, but the biased self constructs opinions do not apply universally or anything like that! There's no higher power or energy dictating these concepts either!

Meaning, purpose and value are all merely conceptual stories stemming from fear & neediness of the self construct.....nothing more!

It's that free!

❤️ 

@VeganAwake Your argument against meaning is self-sabotaging. If nothing matters, why do you oppose injustice or risk your life for others? The very act of rejecting evil confirms its reality. Evil exists because harm exists. Denying its significance is a philosophical luxury, one that evaporates the moment you confront real suffering. Evil’s existence is not subjective; it’s lived experience. If you truly believe that nothing matters, you should stop acting on your own values, yet you continue to do so. This contradiction exposes the weakness in your theory: you can’t reject meaning without rejecting your own actions, morality, and emotional responses, all of which prove that something matters, including the existence of evil.

[VeganAwake]

8 hours ago, Letho said:

@VeganAwake Your argument against meaning is self-sabotaging. If nothing matters, why do you oppose injustice or risk your life for others? The very act of rejecting evil confirms its reality. Evil exists because harm exists. Denying its significance is a philosophical luxury, one that evaporates the moment you confront real suffering. Evil’s existence is not subjective; it’s lived experience. If you truly believe that nothing matters, you should stop acting on your own values, yet you continue to do so. This contradiction exposes the weakness in your theory: you can’t reject meaning without rejecting your own actions, morality, and emotional responses, all of which prove that something matters, including the existence of evil.

You are just misunderstanding what is being said.

You are also then placing your misunderstandings of what's being said, onto me, and then saying see your theories aren't correct 🤣

The recognition of nothing ultimately mattering, does not mean you become an emotionally numb individual sitting in a chair druling and spouting nothing matters lol.

If nothing matters, then it also doesn't matter if you help a person or person's in need, regardless of beliefs about Why! Most people don't sit in thought about Why they would rescue someone in distress, they just act, which are those biological survival instincts we discussed.

And it wouldn't be acting on your own values necessarily if someone needed rescuing. That's assisting them in there struggle for survival...their needs or beliefs about the importance of survival.

Both good and evil are simply human creations or concepts.....nothing more!

There is no universal scripture of meaning and purpose; good and evil written in the cosmos and delivered to us humans to follow. Those are absolutely bias conditioned human creations that were created by fear of the unknown! 

❤️ 

Edited 1 hour ago by VeganAwake

[Letho]

4 hours ago, VeganAwake said:

You are just misunderstanding what is being said.

You are also then placing your misunderstandings of what's being said, onto me, and then saying see your theories aren't correct 🤣

The recognition of nothing ultimately mattering, does not mean you become an emotionally numb individual sitting in a chair druling and spouting nothing matters lol.

If nothing matters, then it also doesn't matter if you help a person or person's in need, regardless of beliefs about Why! Most people don't sit in thought about Why they would rescue someone in distress, they just act, which are those biological survival instincts we discussed.

And it wouldn't be acting on your own values necessarily if someone needed rescuing. That's assisting them in there struggle for survival...their needs or beliefs about the importance of survival.

Both good and evil are simply human creations or concepts.....nothing more!

There is no universal scripture of meaning and purpose; good and evil written in the cosmos and delivered to us humans to follow. Those are absolutely bias conditioned human creations that were created by fear of the unknown! 

❤️ 

If nothing truly matters, why do you respond with moral outrage against harm? Opposing evil contradicts your philosophy, if it didn’t matter, why act? Evil isn’t a construct of human fear; it’s an undeniable reality when harm occurs. You reject it as conceptual, yet the act of rejecting harm affirms its existence. Your actions undermine your theory, if nothing matters, why participate in meaningful action? The reality of evil doesn’t vanish in your philosophy.Your acts reveal a truth… evil exists precisely because you act as if it matters.