Met A Famous Only Fans Girl

[RendHeaven]

27 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

@RendHeavenYou will never know the truth unless you've lived this life.

You don't know what men really want deep down.

Men themselves don't know what they really want deep down.

20 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

@RendHeavenWhy would a man look to a prostitute for love and care.

You would drink your own pee if you were stranded at sea.

21 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

Sounds weak and not putting responsibility on yourself as an adult.

I'm not the one getting lured lol. I don't have a personal stake in this. 

I'm talking about integrity at a high level and highlighting the institutional dysfunction.

22 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

Do you know how many men have promised women this and that and lied to them just to get in their pants.

Yes, the men ought to be called out too.

I'm saying that women lack integrity, and your response is "but the men do it too!"

Yeah.

So everyone will eventually be forced to step up.

A lying society is not healthy.

25 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

Complain that these workers are lying to you.

Not complaining. Just pointing out a dysfunction.

25 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

Food industries lie everyday.about what's in their food.

Yes and this is dysfunctional.

19 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

"I don't care about you. I hate you and you disgust me. I'm only pretending to care so I can get your money". Really? See how.well that works for business in any field. @RendHeaven

The truth will sacrifice profit, yes.

[Princess Arabia]

3 minutes ago, RendHeaven said:

You don't know what men really want deep down.

Men themselves don't know what they really want deep down.

You would drink your own pee if you were stranded at sea.

I'm not the one getting lured lol. I don't have a personal stake in this. 

I'm talking about integrity at a high level and highlighting the institutional dysfunction.

Yes, the men ought to be called out too.

I'm saying that women lack integrity, and your response is "but the men do it too!"

Yeah.

So everyone will eventually be forced to step up.

A lying society is not healthy.

Not complaining. Just pointing out a dysfunction.

Yes and this is dysfunctional.

The truth will sacrifice profit, yes.

Leo promised a course a year ago. Havent seen or heard nothing about it since. Does he fit into this category of broken promises.

 

 

[RendHeaven]

1 minute ago, Princess Arabia said:

Leo promised a course a year ago. Havent seen or heard nothing about it since. Does he fit into this category of broken promises.

If he has not updated or explained his situation, then yes he is out of integrity.

But this is an easy fix, because all he has to do is make a 30 second post that says "sorry guys I mislead you, it's taking longer than I thought."

The degree of deception is important to consider.

Whether Leo keeps his word with his course or not doesn't really violate any of us on a personal existential identity level.

But sexuality and emotions might be the final boss of vulnerability.

Hopefully I've made it clear that I'm not ragging against women here.

I think men are way worse with their manipulations.

[Princess Arabia]

@RendHeavenWhat you're missing is that guys will pay you to lie in this field. They even have a name for it. Its.called the GIRLFRIEND EXPERIENCE. They will pay a woman to act as their gf. That's just one aspect. I've personally told guys I'm not comfortable with something and they would up their fee just for me to pretend. THIS BUSINESS MAKES THEIR PROFITS ON DELIBERATE LIES. Meaning the men want these lies. Don't rebut me on this because it's true. They don't want their wives to lie but they want these working girls to. They'll pay you to pretend and lie to them. Not in all instances but what I'm saying is, it's a thing. Lying about poisons in food to unsuspecting consumers us way more detrimental than a working girl pretending to like her client. 

[Princess Arabia]

The adult field is selling a fantasy. What is the definition of fantasy. Please don't expect anything different just because you have mistakenly taken the business how you shouldn't. It is in the definition. It's a lie to begin with on both sides. It's rather silly to look at it as lying and deceitful when thats what the business itself is selling. Do these men really love these women. No. 

[RendHeaven]

@Princess Arabia I live in japan, we have a unique nightlife industry called "hosts" and "hostesses," where people pay outrageous sums of money just to flirt and converse with attractive men and women, developing a consensual transactional affection role-play loop. It's fascinating stuff. Japan is a lonely society.

3 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

Meaning the men want these lies. Don't rebut me on this because it's true.

Again, you would drink your own piss if you were stranded at sea.

Right now you are looking at men drinking their own pee and concluding that - "see! they WANT to drink their pee. They ENJOY it!"

But you're not seeing that they're stranded at sea. If they were on land near a river, it would never occur to them to ever drink their own pee. You can't say that they actually genuinely want to drink pee without acknowledging how their depraved circumstances + their raging thirst forced them to consensually and willingly lower their standards

5 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

They'll pay you to pretend and lie to them.

Better than dying of thirst.

Doesn't mean that this dynamic is actually serving their highest good.

6 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

Lying about poisons in food to unsuspecting consumers us way more detrimental than a working girl pretending to like her client. 

That's actually not so obvious. You may be right but you may be wrong.

All I know is that harmful lying is happening in both cases.

[RendHeaven]

3 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

It's rather silly to look at it as lying and deceitful when thats what the business itself is selling

But it IS lying and deceitful.

I care about what's true. Maybe I'm different.

[Princess Arabia]

1 minute ago, RendHeaven said:

@Princess Arabia I live in japan, we have a unique nightlife industry called "hosts" and "hostesses," where people pay outrageous sums of money just to flirt and converse with attractive men and women, developing a consensual transactional affection role-play loop. It's fascinating stuff. Japan is a lonely society.

Again, you would drink your own piss if you were stranded at sea.

Right now you are looking at men drinking their own pee and concluding that - "see! they WANT to drink their pee. They ENJOY it!"

But you're not seeing that they're stranded at sea. If they were on land near a river, it would never occur to them to ever drink their own pee. You can't say that they actually genuinely want to drink pee without acknowledging how their depraved circumstances + their raging thirst forced them to consensually and willingly lower their standards

Better than dying of thirst.

Doesn't mean that this dynamic is actually serving their highest good.

That's actually not so obvious. You may be right but you may be wrong.

All I know is that harmful lying is happening in both cases.

I get what you're saying and that's a different nightlife situation there in Japan. No doubt it's the case what you're saying, but also what I'm saying. I've had men at a bar with their wives right next to them hitting on me as a working girl to go be with them asking if I had a room. Laughing with their wives next to me and she didn't even know. I've had men calling their wives telling them they love them while setting up a date with someone else. Doesn't sound depraved to me. I've seen judges and lawyers and doctors, all married. These men aren't depraved. I've seen police officers at a cop conventions, these men aren't depraved. I've had men telling me I should go on OF so they can subscribe, those men weren't depraved and were sexually active. You just don't get it. Men fantasize about this shit and most of the older ones aren't in it for anything personal because they're family men, they just want the fantasy of it all. 

 

[Princess Arabia]

19 minutes ago, RendHeaven said:

But it IS lying and deceitful.

I care about what's true. Maybe I'm different.

Yes, but it's true that they pretend..it's the nature of the business. The guys who go there knows this, so this makes it true. How can they not deep down know this. How can somebody like you intimately that doesn't even know you. C'mon. Depraved or not. 

[LordFall]

@BlessedLion you're using a huge amount of victim on behalf of those men. There are plenty of ways for men to learn to get sex today. To pay 5-20$ to access sexuality is a effort trade off that a lot of men do willingly. 

I've paid for the OF of a few girls I knew and that was a good deal I hope they enjoyed it. Especially while working on my business rn I don't have too much time go to out and game and have an active sex life so porn fulfills a very productive role in my life. 

[RendHeaven]

1 hour ago, Princess Arabia said:

I get what you're saying and that's a different nightlife situation there in Japan. No doubt it's the case what you're saying, but also what I'm saying. I've had men at a bar with their wives right next to them hitting on me as a working girl to go be with them asking if I had a room. Laughing with their wives next to me and she didn't even know. I've had men calling their wives telling them they love them while setting up a date with someone else. Doesn't sound depraved to me. I've seen judges and lawyers and doctors, all married. These men aren't depraved. I've seen police officers at a cop conventions, these men aren't depraved. I've had men telling me I should go on OF so they can subscribe, those men weren't depraved and were sexually active. You just don't get it. Men fantasize about this shit and most of the older ones aren't in it for anything personal because they're family men, they just want the fantasy of it all.

Being sexually active does not mean you aren't depraved.

In fact it's usually the most sex-crazed guys who are the MOST depraved. I am talking about a depravity of the soul.

1 hour ago, Princess Arabia said:

The guys who go there knows this, so this makes it true.

Some do, some don't.

1 hour ago, Princess Arabia said:

How can they not deep down know this. How can somebody like you intimately that doesn't even know you. C'mon

People are fragile. They chase fantasies knowing they're not real, but hoping they could become real, until one day the distinction blurs and they lose themselves in false hope. This makes them prime targets of exploitation, semi-willing cows to milk. 

This allows the exploiter to feel justified because "he asked for it," it allows the exploited to feel temporary relief (because their fantasy seems to be coming to life) but at the end of it, none of it was real, the exploited has more dependence and less cash, and the cycle continues until he hits rock bottom.

The thing about fantasies is that they all implode eventually. As long as you are aware of this, there is no problem. But fantasies tend to be wrapped in a second fantasy which says "this isn't a fantasy." Most people are not aware of how their own minds warp reality. 

What seems to you like an obvious innocent transaction could be a false hope of something more to someone else (and the more money you are making, the more likely you are milking this dynamic). 

Maybe you have the necessary consciousness to see that this is all a transaction, but remember that most people have shit consciousness. 

Now obviously it's not your job to babysit them or to cater to their 'highest good.' You should only be honest if you care about truth. If you don't care about truth, then feel free to exploit people however you want.

However, insofar as you are on this forum, at least be self-honest. Be objective with yourself when you are exploiting. Don't act like you're not exploiting if you ever are. Of course, the exploitation of others is not exempt. You've got to call it as it is. And most critically, the exploitation of entire industries. If the exploitation is there, it better serves us to notice it than to downplay it or pretend it's not there.

Keep in mind that "they should've known better" is the rationale of a con artist and thief

I never said that sex work is bad or wrong. I'm only encouraging more honesty. I would imagine a more honest sex work would involve minimizing false promises, or at least upfront announcing that "this is a roleplay" if you're going to help them fulfill a fantasy. Will this hurt your income? Yes. Duh. Which is why nobody does it. Which is why exploitation is rampant and endless. Which is why people get hurt.

Just pointing out the dynamics.

If you think I'm wrong, you're going to have an uphill battle justifying how blatant lying is healthy or benign.

[AION]

@RendHeaven if so many men or hitting on you you are definitely sending out signals. Perhaps it is all the soy.

[RendHeaven]

2 hours ago, AION said:

@RendHeaven if so many men or hitting on you you are definitely sending out signals.

No, I was just young and trying too hard to see the good in people and desperate for friends.

Gatekeeping your circle is something men learn over time. Also, denver is genuinely just gay as fuck. I later moved to Tucson Arizona and had no problems whatsoever (everyone's a latina/latino with dark humor there lol, it was awesome)

2 hours ago, AION said:

Perhaps it is all the soy.

Nevermind u right

[AION]

9 minutes ago, RendHeaven said:

No, I was just young and trying too hard to see the good in people and desperate for friends.

Gatekeeping your circle is something men learn over time. Also, denver is genuinely just gay as fuck. I later moved to Tucson Arizona and had no problems whatsoever (everyone's a latina/latino with dark humor there lol, it was awesome)

Nevermind u right

I know it can be annoying and violating to even sense somebody’s sexual pretensions. So I understand hot women kind of. Men looking at them all the time like they want to rod you down. But the thing is, guys only do that to guys that pose no threat. If a gay person does that to the wrong person they will be beaten. Just imagine a gay dude sending out sexual intentions to an Andrew Tate fan. That is not going to end well. There are tons of people who are desperate to make friends but nobody is trying to get in their anal tract although if I look back I have some suspicions but they would never dare to be so bold and rude like in your case. 

Edited Tuesday at 10:23 AM by AION

[RendHeaven]

3 minutes ago, AION said:

But the thing is, guys only do that to guys that pose no threat. If a gay person does that to the wrong person they will be beaten.

That's a good point, I had a strong stage green aura at that point. 

I was big into compassion, empathy, "turning the other cheek," being selfless, pacifist, conflict-avoidant, etc. All in the name of spirituality.

Those were mostly good qualities, but they certainly made me too soft.

[AION]

4 minutes ago, RendHeaven said:

That's a good point, I had a strong stage green aura at that point. 

I was big into compassion, empathy, "turning the other cheek," being selfless, pacifist, conflict-avoidant, etc. All in the name of spirituality.

Those were mostly good qualities, but they certainly made me too soft.

Hm, I don't know you enough to say anything about that. I do have some indications but I rather not say it.