I voted for Trump in 2024, I regret it.

[Nemra]

6 minutes ago, Salvijus said:

My claim was that there is no objective metric by which we can measure who's more truthful. Your claim was that there is. That's why I'm asking you to present the metrics lol. 

Read the following again:

20 minutes ago, Nemra said:

However, when you observe them for a while, you will see which one is being more truthful by just understanding how they think and act. The problem is whether you are deluded / deluding yourself or not.

 

[Raze]

1 hour ago, Lyubov said:

This seems sort of oddly reasoned though. You would prefer to live in a world with a strong China? They aren’t exactly a bastion of human rights nor are any of their decision making aligned with your economic wellbeing. A weaker US means a more fragile and economically unstable life for yourself. This power going to China does not mean a more peaceful world. If anything ensuring an emboldened and strengthened China starting a war to take back Taiwan. Do you understand that a stronger China actually means more likelihood of war there? China wants to expand. Read their doctrine. If anything we should be keeping USA strong and working to bring about fair values and harmony form a place a strength. Not giving away power to despots who will do what the US does and even more to strengthen their states at the expense of everyone else. The thing is the USA is being overtaken by a despot and is starting to have wet dreams about expanding itself, get ready for USA / China / Russia to eat their neighbors, Russia has already started. We are headed towards a bi polar world where two powers have expanded up against each other and are in a Cold War. 

If China can become strong enough quickly it would make the US more reasonable about countering it. When the US wants to stop a power that is not yet strong they will use extreme violence and wreck entire countries. Look at what they did to Iraq, Syria, Libya, none of which were even considered actual threats to US safety. 

China wants to expand its influence in its region as do all countries. This won’t stop. The US trying to aggressively counter it will make China more aggressive in response and things will spiral out of control.

China has internal human rights abuses, but that’s not an issue for the rest of the world as bad as it is. Regarding its foreign policy which is what affects us it has so far been more focused on soft power and economic development. The US is far more aggressive and regularly backs backs dictators, coups and extremist groups and has caused proxy wars that kill hundreds of thousands. 

A strong China and strong US could counter each others worse impulses. As Chinese become wealthier they will want more freedom domestically like the US, as China expands its influence less-violently it can pressure America diplomatically to be less violent in its foreign policy. An example of the difference in foreign policy tactics is recently China tried brokering peace between Iran and Saudi Arabia and Hamas and Fatah through diplomatic talks. The way the US dealt with Saudi Arabia and Iran was supporting Iraq invading Iran killing a million people, then toppling Iraq and allowing Iran to expand its influence in the chaos, then supporting Saudi Arabia committing a genocide in Yemen to counter a Iranian proxy. And the way it dealt with Hamas and Fatah was allowing elections between them despite knowing Fatah had become corrupt and unpost, then when Fatah lost backing a civil war to try and get Fatah to overthrow Hamas, then later allowing Israel to purposefully fund Hamas to weaken the PLO and keep them split to avoid a peaceful settlement which has caused more internal polarization Israel. 

Edited February 13 by Raze

[Salvijus]

1 hour ago, Nemra said:

@Salvijus, when you and I burn our hands, we will feel pain if both of us can feel pain.

Just say you don't know what those metrics are, haha. Nobody is going to judge you. 

[Salvijus]

1 hour ago, Nemra said:

However, when you observe them for a while, you will see which one is being more truthful by just understanding how they think and act. The problem is whether you are deluded / deluding yourself or not.

This is good. But you observe their level of truthfulness and judge them according to what metrics? And how do you know that you don't have blind spots where your perception is corrupted with biases? 

Edited February 13 by Salvijus

[meta_male]

@Shodburrito Chill, this isn't church and there's no need to confess. It was your right to vote for whoever you wanted. Go easy on yourself.

[Nemra]

Just now, Salvijus said:

Just say you don't know what those metrics are, haha. Nobody is going to judge you. 

Do you know what knowing the truth about something even means?

My suspicion that you don't know what truth means is getting confirmed.

[Elliott]

40 minutes ago, Salvijus said:

I would argue it was a truthful observation rather than a judgment. If my comment came out of some sort of spite, than I apologize but I still believe the observation was correct. 

And what was the point of publishing the nugget of wisdom?

4 hours ago, Salvijus said:

Interesting how people have such low capacity to accept people with a different worldview. Yet left likes to brag how tolerant and all inclusive they are. But nevermind. Tcare 

 

[Nemra]

27 minutes ago, Salvijus said:

But you observe their level of truthfulness and judge them according to what metrics?

For example

• when their words reflect in their actions.
• when their survival isn't dependent too much on lying.
• they have high self-awareness.
• ...

27 minutes ago, Salvijus said:

And how do you know that you don't have blind spots where your perception is corrupted with biases? 

Again, how do you?

I try not to assume that I don't have any blind spots.

Being aware that you might be biased is way important than being paranoid that other could be biased.

Edited February 13 by Nemra

[Salvijus]

3 hours ago, Elliott said:

And what was the point of publishing the nugget of wisdom?

I saw value in bringing awareness to the behavior that is egoic in nature.  Awareness is curative. 

Edited February 13 by Salvijus

[Salvijus]

1 hour ago, Nemra said:

For example

• when their words reflect in their actions.
• when their survival isn't dependent too much on lying.
• they have high self-awareness.
• ...

Again, how do you?

I try not to assume that I don't have any blind spots.

Being aware that you might be biased is way important than being paranoid that other could be biased.

Okay you make good points. But we all are using pretty much the same metrics that you've listed. Yet somehow we all arrive at different answers of who's trustworthy and who's not. I find that interesting

Edited February 13 by Salvijus

[Nemra]

1 hour ago, Salvijus said:

Okay you make good points. But we all are using pretty much the same metrics that you've listed.

That should tell you something.

1 hour ago, Salvijus said:

Yet somehow we all arrive at different answers of who's trustworthy and who's not. I find that interesting.

Well, in the end, you either know what's true or not.

[Husseinisdoingfine]

Until the Democrats nominate someone [for the Presidency] with good foreign, economic, and social policies, whose not a corrupt war mongering status quo centrist lib oligarch, then I refuse to vote for them and will continue to vote third party.

I’m not playing their game, and by pledging to them my vote without them changing first, then they are under no incentive to change their corrupt ways.

America and Russia are both oligarchies, one and the same.

[Rafael Thundercat]

19 hours ago, Shodburrito said:

I was angry about inflation and gas prices.

When you realise Inflation is not the only metric to use. Good lesson of System Thinking. 

[Viking]

@Shodburrito what examples of things Trump did do you feel guilty about?

I feel maybe most of your guilt is the people around you. All the libtards (including in this forum) are ABSOLUTELY EXAGGERATING saying how bad this, so if you internalize it of course you will feel bad.

What do YOU actually think? What was done which is bad?

[Elliott]

17 hours ago, Salvijus said:

I saw value in bringing awareness to the behavior that is egoic in nature.  Awareness is curative. 

Which is obviously judgment. You've lied this entire thread, impressive.

 

19 hours ago, Salvijus said:

I would argue it was a truthful observation rather than a judgment. If my comment came out of some sort of spite, than I apologize but I still believe the observation was correct. 

 

[Salvijus]

1 hour ago, Elliott said:

Which is obviously judgment

Awareness and judgement are two different things. You can make an observation with or without the element of judgement behind it. I believe my comment that people here have low capacity for acceptence of different views  is correct. Whether or not there is an element of judgement behind it is a question mark. I don't sense it personally. 

Edited Friday at 10:11 AM by Salvijus

[Frylock]

3 hours ago, Viking said:

ABSOLUTELY EXAGGERATING saying how bad this

Umm, what? The one running the government, the world's richest man and someone who wasn't elected, isn't a bad thing?

If roles were reversed and it was a powerful billionaire in the oval office with Biden as president, conservatards would be crying and bitching and moaning and whining 24/7 like the little snowflakes they are.

Call a spade a spade. Oligarchy is bad. Inflation is going up when prior to this, it was steady. Those are facts, jack.

[Viking]

2 hours ago, Frylock said:

Umm, what? The one running the government, the world's richest man and someone who wasn't elected, isn't a bad thing?

The person who was elected assigned another person to do government work. How is that a bad thing?

[Something Funny]

On 2/12/2025 at 11:48 PM, Husseinisdoingfine said:

I voted Green Party, specifically for Dr. Jill Stein, and don’t regret anything.

I threw my vote away into a trash can and I don't regret anything.

[Frylock]

3 minutes ago, Viking said:

The person who was elected assigned another person to do government work. How is that a bad thing?

"Government work" is a cute euphemism for world's richest man tearing down established systems for only his benefit, corporate nterests, and power gain. Fake ass department only furthering the corporatacracy of America.

Majority of Trump voters were under the impression that they were voting for a better economy and reduced prices, not this insane shit.