Can anyone pls debunk the rational wiki

[Seeker123]

Hello,

I am quite new in my spiritual journey. Recently I came across rational wiki which supposedly debunks all spiritual stuff, that website has pages on many true masters with the website trying to debunk them. Since I am new I don't have much knowledge. So I got confused and yeah pls help

[Salvijus]

If you could be more specific maybe I'd pitch in. 

[CoolDreamThanks]

Those articles are obviously written by someone who has no idea what is happening in life; no need to debunk anything; just need a wise mind to see it. And if someone isn't wise, no matter who debunks who, he will not understand anything anyway. 

[Exystem]

Welcome

 What's your goal? Adopting a belief system that you like? Having good arguments to defend it? Why don't you want it to be disproved? What comments do you expect, what would satisfy you?

We're not helping when we make you more comfy to adopt spiritual beliefs, on the contrary. We're not helping when we take away your work to contenmplate for yourself.

A smart person finds the right answers, a wise one finds the right questions. Embrace the questions for some time. You don't want to believe bullshit, do you? What's wrong about a rational wiki debunking some stuff?

[Seeker123]

@Exystem Rational wiki not only debunked some stuff but also debunked the claims of Leo 

[Seeker123]

@Salvijus If you'd read the rational wiki page on Leo, then you might understand what I am trying to say 

[Exystem]

37 minutes ago, Seeker123 said:

Rational wiki not only debunked some stuff but also debunked the claims of Leo 

I know, I've read it two or three times. Observe your emotions consciously while doing so, that's how you alchemize lead into gold and debunk it experiantially, metaphorically speaking.

[Princess Arabia]

Could you post a link to the website you're referring to, please.

[leebus99]

Rationality is a closed system, and 'debunking' is effectively using rationality to analyse something in a certain way. Therefore it's like saying can we use maths to disprove maths. You don't need to debunk anything my friend, just look at the people who are completely paradigm locked into 'rationality as the ultimate truth' and how narrowminded that makes them, Rationality has effectively become their god/spirituality/belief system. If this sounds like nonsense, perhaps check out Leo's video on Gödel's incompleteness theorems and the implications it has on perspectives in general.

[Hojo]

The rational comes from logic. Spirituality is beyond logic. Its seeing that you dont have to look at the world logically and it will change. You see logic and rationality is a tool that exists within the human mind and the human mind is constructing its logic and rationality so it can navigate the world without being scared of everything. This logic and rationale can have the opposite effect when you go to the opposite end and actually make up and look for things to be scared of when it has nothing to do so it starts debunking things and trying to find dangerous people that dont follow its belief system. Label them as crazy and dumb so the ego can protect itself from deconstruction.

The fact that you exist is irrational but you havent been skeptical about that. I wonder why?

Edited February 10 by Hojo

[Oppositionless]

I actually love the entry for actualised . Org, it's clear cut and to the point .

 

What I've learned is that I'm subject to fate . But I can also STOP whenever I want. That's a very new development thanks to ralston 

 

[Carl-Richard]

What do you have problems with in the RationalWiki article?

[Yimpa]

On 2/10/2025 at 5:31 AM, Princess Arabia said:

Could you post a link to the website you're referring to, please.

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Leo_Gura

[Princess Arabia]

21 minutes ago, Yimpa said:

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Leo_Gura

Thank you. 

[Nemra]

There are way more unhinged claims about Leo in other places on the internet than that article could ever make.

At first, I also investigated what people think of him. It helped me understand how much people invent BS to justify themselves for why they should oppose him.

I encourage you to find a lot of negative comments about him as much as you can and see how much is that true for yourself.

If that's difficult for you, then that means that you have way too many assumptions about him, regardless of how much value he provided you.

[vibv]

@Seeker123 If somebody debunked that for you you'd have to debunk that person later (because else THAT would become your new parroted belief... putting you back at square one) — so why not skip that and come to your own conclusions instead of relying on others to do it for you.

That doesn't mean it's not worth to have a discussion about this stuff, but your thread title screams intellectual laziness.

Edited February 12 by vibv

[Yimpa]

You will not access the highest stages of consciousness by being rational.

[Ulax]

You’ll probably get better responses if you pick specific arguments from the rationalist wikis to have us analyse.

The rational wiki article on Leo alone contains loads of arguments.