What is a good anchor on 5 Meo.

[shree]

7 hours ago, OBEler said:

@Davino I have a fear on 5 Meo that my awareness will be gone in any second and that I am not existing. Like total blackout. No awareness, no observer. Total annihilation.

Blackouts are common on 5MeO.

Good thing is; trip lasts just a few minutes when you are vaping this chem. There is a big chance you won't even remember anything.

[Davino]

8 hours ago, OBEler said:

I have a fear on 5 Meo that my awareness will be gone in any second and that I am not existing. Like total blackout. No awareness, no observer. Total annihilation.

Has that ever happened to you?

Why do you think it shall happen?

[OBEler]

4 hours ago, Davino said:

Has that ever happened to you?

Why do you think it shall happen?

No never.

I had however an experience of fading away and at the same time a feeling of fear. But not very strong it was manageable.

If I don't get a breakthrough is my fear reasonable? I mean if I don't breakthrough on 5 Meo then I will be probably not overwhelmed by mindfucks.

 

[josemar]

3 hours ago, OBEler said:

No never.

I had however an experience of fading away and at the same time a feeling of fear. But not very strong it was manageable.

If I don't get a breakthrough is my fear reasonable? I mean if I don't breakthrough on 5 Meo then I will be probably not overwhelmed by mindfucks.

 

It's the opposite, if you don't break through, it will be uncomfortable, if you do break through, the one being uncomfortable or fearful disappears.

[OBEler]

@josemar lol so if I get fear of terror the best thing would be to vape some more until I breakthrough? That could be an option.

[shree]

@OBEler

Intellectualizing to that point will not help you in any way.

Just jump in that water.

Probably you will open your eyes after a several minutes and see yourself licking the floor and saying "wtf was this?" For next few minutes.

[Alex_R]

You need to accept to die and cease to exist forever

Edited February 10 by Alex_R

[josemar]

22 hours ago, OBEler said:

@josemar lol so if I get fear of terror the best thing would be to vape some more until I breakthrough? That could be an option.

Most important thing is that... if you don't get a breakthrough and get resistance/fear/anything coming from the ego instead, is to keep vaping... that's why Martin Ball used to do 3 inhalations per session.

Otherwise you may be working on your "shadow" for months/years afterwards, or whatever else the ego will throw at "you" (at itself)

[OBEler]

@josemar yeah that can be right.

How about the fear of not knowing if you breath is that fear you should take serious?

[Aaron p]

[josemar]

14 hours ago, OBEler said:

@josemar yeah that can be right.

How about the fear of not knowing if you breath is that fear you should take serious?

Your body knows how to breathe. Unless you specifically think about your breath, do you even realize you're breathing, and do you have to actively police your breath? No.

Don't remember the exact time, but I filmed myself on one of the first 5meo sessions, and I was breathing deeply once every 2.5 - 3 minutes.

Trained people can hold their breath for 17 min, so 3 mins seems mild. Any fear of not breathing is just another ego hook, trying to not dissolve.

Edit: just realized you said fear of  "not knowing" that you breathe... Even clearer ego, whether or not you know, your body is breathing anyway...

Edited February 12 by josemar

[OBEler]

@josemar top answer thanks!

[Verg0]

I have lost awareness during deep 5-MeO-Sessions. 

Ultimate trust is what is my anchor. Everything else is leading to resistence. 

Otherwise, a sitter is a good option to support that trust for deep breakthrough attempts. 

[Paradoxed]

Anchoring yourself feels counterintuitive to the whole experience

[emil1234]

On 10.2.2025 at 0:45 AM, OBEler said:

@Unlimited if it's guaranteed that awareness always exists then I can trust on that and use it as my anchor. It's the only thing I then will not loose on a breakthrough.

do not even use consciousness as an anchor. ive been attached to consciousness during my meditations as well, fearing that i would lose it. when i finally let go of that fear, my sense of self dropped away, and only existence itself remained.

letting go of consciousness does not mean you lose it, it means you set it free

everything you cling to holds you back 

Edited February 12 by emil1234

[Yimpa]

15 minutes ago, emil1234 said:

do not even use consciousness as an anchor.

 

[OBEler]

@emil1234 ok that's profound. So the only thing left then would be existence. But using this as an anchor is impossible if you are not conscious anymore.

Ok no anchor then. I let go.

 

[emil1234]

@OBEler the thing is u dont lose consciousness by not clinging to it.

19 hours ago, Yimpa said:

 

funny how spongebob doesnt get less fun with age

Edited February 13 by emil1234

[PenguinPablo]

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[MaDoubt]

On 2/9/2025 at 3:47 PM, OBEler said:

When I am in stress during a 5 Meo DMT trip what can I rely on.  I get sometimes the fear that I loose my awareness. What stays always, also during a breakthrough? Will you also loose the connection to your breath?

 

Surrendering everything is exactly the point of 5-MEO DMT. Nothing as an anchor, that is the Ego speaking and fighting for its life. Nothing to hold onto, complete surrender.

You are infinite consciousness but to live that (not know that conceptually) but to BE it, live it, you have to completely surrender to the God molecule.

Yes, you loose connection to everything, breath included, no anchors (anchors mean not wanting to let go of control), just trust and let go!

Ma

Edited Friday at 02:11 PM by MaDoubt